Was there a connection between the phone ping and the report of a child crying on Tue 1st May?

[AnneGuedes]

All this wouldn't exist if they had accepted to reconstruct !

[Mrs. B]

Pure supposition it was Madeleine crying too Stephen.

Nobody knows if it was Madeleine or not, a child was heard crying, the witness THOUGHT it was from below. The PJ didn't even bothered to test whether she would have been able to hear what she said she heard or if she could have heard another apartment. You are more likely to hear sounds from the next door than from below, then you have the issue with open windows. Nobody knows.

[AnneGuedes]

The PJ didn't even bothered to test whether she would have been able to hear what she said she heard

Didn't the McCanns claim Madeleine didn't cry on that night !

[Carana]

Didn't the McCanns claim Madeleine didn't cry on that night !

When asked about the fact her daughter had been crying on the night of the Tuesday for one hour and 15 minutes, between 10:30 and 11:45, she says it is not true. She says that on that night, after midnight, Madeleine went to their room and said that her sister Amelie was crying, and sleep with her and Gerry in their room. She says that before Madeleine appeared in their room, she had already heard Amelie crying, however she did not go to the room, as Madeleine went to the room almost at the same time she head the crying. She does not remember if afterwards she or Gerry went to the childrens' room, however she states that Amelie cried for a short time.

She says that on that night the twins slept in the room where Madeleine slept, each in their own crib.

[DCI]

Seems odd, Mrs Fenn heard everything from below her apartment, but didn't hear someone break into he own, through the front door.  8-)(--)

Few interesting reads on here, re Mrs Fenn.

http://www.mccannfiles.com/id331.html#fenn1

[faithlilly]

Seems odd, Mrs Fenn heard everything from below her apartment, but didn't hear someone break into he own, through the front door.  8-)(--)

Few interesting reads on here, re Mrs Fenn.

http://www.mccannfiles.com/id331.html#fenn1

Sorry did I miss the part in Mrs Fenn's statement where she detailed how the burglar may have got in ? One of the reports whoever does say that she disturbed a burglar trying to get in through her window.

[Carana]

I really do hope that interviews in serious cases start to be recorded. It would make things so much clearer.

On the one hand, the child she heard might have been Madeleine, or she could have heard different children from various apartments over that period of time. It could just as easily have been one of the O'Brien children (a sick child often cries and might have set the other one off as well - from a quick skim-read I haven't found whether he was asked or not), followed by Amelie and possibly Madeleine calling out because she'd been woken up. It's not even clear how big her apartment was (did it span beyond the surface of 5A?) nor where this sound was coming from aside from "the floor below".

A recorded interview might also have avoided any potential misunderstanding as to whether it was the actual crying that she thought wasn't from a "baby of two years or under" or whether it was the child she heard calling "daddy" who seemed older than two.

[Carana]

Sorry did I miss the part in Mrs Fenn's statement where she detailed how the burglar may have got in ? One of the reports whoever does say that she disturbed a burglar trying to get in through her window.

I doubt that an elderly lady tried to grab hold of a burglar's ankle as he tried to escape from a bedroom window. That sounds implausible to me. However, the attempted burglary is in her statement. The content of her statement to what I presume would have been made to the GNR concerning the details isn't. There is no indication in the files that the PJ had asked her any details about it. They might have checked the GNR report, but if they did, I haven't found any trace of it. It might have been useful if the MO had provided an indication of a pattern.

[DCI]

Sorry did I miss the part in Mrs Fenn's statement where she detailed how the burglar may have got in ? One of the reports whoever does say that she disturbed a burglar trying to get in through her window.

That shows how much you read a post before jumping.

"She went to investigate. The man must have heard her coming and was scrambling out of the window. She just saw the back of his head and arm and she tried to push him out of the window."She was shaking with fear and called the police. There was no sign of a break in and she thought he must have somehow come in through the front door.

[Mrs. B]

I doubt that an elderly lady tried to grab hold of a burglar's ankle as he tried to escape from a bedroom window. That sounds implausible to me. However, the attempted burglary is in her statement. The content of her statement to what I presume would have been made to the GNR concerning the details isn't. There is no indication in the files that the PJ had asked her any details about it. They might have checked the GNR report, but if they did, I haven't found any trace of it. It might have been useful if the MO had provided an indication of a pattern.

Wonder what she'd planned to do with him after she'd caught his ankles & dragged him back into the apartment. Beat him up with her walking stick?

ETA Honestly, some people chose to believe the weirdest things.....

[DCI]

Odd how a few alterations can make a big difference, isn't it?

http://www.mccannfiles.com/id331.html#fenn1

She said that after the mothers shouts, she had seen many people in the streets looking for the girl. She also refers to an episode when GERRY was speaking to a policeman, she doesn't know what kind of police force, saying that more police officers were needed to carry out the search.

TRANSLATION BY INES

She said that after the mothers shouts, she had seen many people in the streets looking for the girl. She also refers to an episode when Gerry was speaking to a policeman and he refused to recognised the police force, saying that more agents of authority were needed to carry out the search.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/PAMELA_FENN.htm

[Mrs. B]

No wonder the McCanns had the files properly translated.

[faithlilly]

That shows how much you read a post before jumping.

"She went to investigate. The man must have heard her coming and was scrambling out of the window. She just saw the back of his head and arm and she tried to push him out of the window."She was shaking with fear and called the police. There was no sign of a break in and she thought he must have somehow come in through the front door.

That doesn't seem to have come from her statement.

[Mrs. B]

I doubt that an elderly lady tried to grab hold of a burglar's ankle as he tried to escape from a bedroom window. That sounds implausible to me. However, the attempted burglary is in her statement. The content of her statement to what I presume would have been made to the GNR concerning the details isn't. There is no indication in the files that the PJ had asked her any details about it. They might have checked the GNR report, but if they did, I haven't found any trace of it. It might have been useful if the MO had provided an indication of a pattern.

The only mention re. the break-in in her statement is the following:

When questioned she said that she never saw any strange person or action before or after the event. She claims however, that a week previously she was the victim of an attempted robbery, which was not successful and neither was anything taken, thinking that the crying of the child could be linked to another attempted robbery in the residence.

No details whatsoever about the actual incidents from what I can find.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/PAMELA_FENN.htm

[Carana]

Odd how a few alterations can make a big difference, isn't it?

http://www.mccannfiles.com/id331.html#fenn1

She said that after the mothers shouts, she had seen many people in the streets looking for the girl. She also refers to an episode when GERRY was speaking to a policeman, she doesn't know what kind of police force, saying that more police officers were needed to carry out the search.

TRANSLATION BY INES

She said that after the mothers shouts, she had seen many people in the streets looking for the girl. She also refers to an episode when Gerry was speaking to a policeman and he refused to recognised the police force, saying that more agents of authority were needed to carry out the search.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/PAMELA_FENN.htm

I hadn't noticed that.

The original:

Refere também um episódio em que o Gerry falou com um Polícia, desconhece a força Policial, alegando que era necessário mais agentes de autoridade par efectuaram a busca.