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Offline mercury

Re: The question of the polygraph?
« Reply #285 on: July 23, 2015, 03:30:42 PM »
They are used because the majority of liars are scared of them and will fail.

fair enough PF, as a polce tool I guess they can be useful

Offline mercury

Re: The question of the polygraph?
« Reply #286 on: July 23, 2015, 03:34:24 PM »
Polygraphs are not acceptable in European Courts, so absolutely no point in doing them.

Do one, don't do one.  All sensationalism.  Fail it and you're screwed.  Pass it and you are good liar.  And these things should never be done under stress or duress, simply to please the masses.

Its the police that use them, for their own reasons, not the "masses" so take it up with them

Offline Eleanor

Re: The question of the polygraph?
« Reply #287 on: July 23, 2015, 03:41:49 PM »
Its the police that use them, for their own reasons, not the "masses" so take it up with them

No one is forced to take a Polygraph.  And I very much doubt that The Police ask suspects to do this.

Offline mercury

Re: The question of the polygraph?
« Reply #288 on: July 23, 2015, 04:05:15 PM »
No one is forced to take a Polygraph.  And I very much doubt that The Police ask suspects to do this.
well, leaving aside your questionable comment that you doubt police ask suspects to take a polygraph, what is all the fuss about and who started it?

Offline Eleanor

Re: The question of the polygraph?
« Reply #289 on: July 23, 2015, 04:10:33 PM »
well, leaving aside your questionable comment that you doubt police ask suspects to take a polygraph, what is all the fuss about and who started it?

I have no idea.  Perhaps you can help.

Offline mercury

Re: The question of the polygraph?
« Reply #290 on: July 23, 2015, 04:17:23 PM »
I have no idea.  Perhaps you can help.
No, sorry, nowt to do with me.

Offline Jean-Pierre

Re: The question of the polygraph?
« Reply #291 on: July 23, 2015, 04:26:20 PM »
well, leaving aside your questionable comment that you doubt police ask suspects to take a polygraph, what is all the fuss about and who started it?

The police may, on occasion, ask a suspect to take a test. But cannot force anyone to do so.

Refusal to take such a test cannot be produced in court by the prosecution, for obvious reasons.     

Offline mercury

Re: The question of the polygraph?
« Reply #292 on: July 23, 2015, 04:43:18 PM »
The police may, on occasion, ask a suspect to take a test. But cannot force anyone to do so.

Refusal to take such a test cannot be produced in court by the prosecution, for obvious reasons.     

I was responding to Elanors comment that she doubts the police ask people to undergo polygraph testing, which begs the question, if they dont, who does ? and why would they be performed by police at all in that case.....yes, we know that all circumstances around such tests are not court permissible as "evidence"....still, they and their "use" can be helpful to police outwith their usage and results iyswim

Offline G-Unit

Re: The question of the polygraph?
« Reply #293 on: July 23, 2015, 05:27:22 PM »
That's my impression as well. If it had been simply a gesture of assistance, it could have been done quietly.

Perhaps it was and the guy only went public when the McCann's gave him their impossible 'conditions'.
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Offline mercury

Re: The question of the polygraph?
« Reply #294 on: July 23, 2015, 05:30:37 PM »
Thing is, even if all their "conditions" were met,never in a million years would I believe they would take such a test, when they couldn't even answer straight questions with straight answers in "friendly tv interviews"

Offline Mr Gray

Re: The question of the polygraph?
« Reply #295 on: July 23, 2015, 06:08:22 PM »
In fact it is possible to test the efficacy of polygraphs, but the trouble is such experiments are rare – at least according to Richard Wiseman, professor of the public understanding of psychology at the University of Hertfordshire. Because you can’t simply ask a criminal whether he was lying or not, the only method would be to use polygraphs in cases where the true answer had already been established using other evidence. Then it would be possible to check the polygraph’s responses against reality in a high-stakes situation. “If the examiner was unaware of the true answers, then that would be a proper double-blind scientific study. But there have been very few trials like that,” says Prof Wiseman.

From what evidence there is, he adds that “the polygraph seems to be very good at catching liars. But it seems very likely to give false positives as well, to 'catch’ people who are telling the truth”.

Horder agrees, pointing to research which found that polygraphs were “70-97 per cent accurate for people who turned out to be guilty, but between 12-94 per cent accurate for people who turned out to be innocent

so between 12 and 94 % accurate when the suspect is innocent

Offline Alice Purjorick

Re: The question of the polygraph?
« Reply #296 on: July 23, 2015, 06:25:19 PM »

The only accurate part of your post is" I don't recall"
If you say so  8(0(*
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: The question of the polygraph?
« Reply #297 on: July 23, 2015, 06:27:32 PM »
to all those who say the McCanns should have taken the lie detector....

if they had and were judged to be telling the truth ....would you then disregard the dogs, the jemmied shutters....the discrepancies in the statements...the smith sighting...

would you then regard them as innocent...honest answers please

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Re: The question of the polygraph?
« Reply #298 on: July 23, 2015, 06:29:51 PM »
At least Adrian Prout didn't take your advice or they wouldn't have found Kate's body. He would still be lying saying he's innocent.
Wasn't he already in prison when he offered to do a test?

Offline Carana

Re: The question of the polygraph?
« Reply #299 on: July 23, 2015, 06:37:15 PM »
Who would have decided on the questions to ask?