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Offline faithlilly

Re: The question of the polygraph?
« Reply #330 on: July 23, 2015, 11:18:05 PM »
Rubbish.  It is a fact that had the McCanns taken and passed a polygraph test, those who are convinced they hid their child's body would remain convinced that they were right.  No one is honest enough to admit it however.

If the McCanns had taken a polygraph no matter what the outcome it would certainly have made me reconsider if the played a part in Madeleine's disappearance.

Luke Mitchell took a polygraph to prove he played no part in his girlfriend Jodie Jones's murder. Several of Elizabeth Smart's male relatives did too. They knew the pitfalls of taking the test but did it anyway because it was the only way of moving their cases forward.
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Alfred R Jones

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Re: The question of the polygraph?
« Reply #331 on: July 23, 2015, 11:19:00 PM »
No he was convicted and jailed for life without the body. He was still claiming he was innocent in jail and after he failed the lie detector he confessed and showed where he had hidden the body.

Debbie Garlick who began dating Prout a year after he murdered Kate had launched a campaign to win his freedom.
You don't seem to have understood what I wrote.  Never mind, I'm sure others do.

Alfred R Jones

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Re: The question of the polygraph?
« Reply #332 on: July 23, 2015, 11:21:19 PM »
If the McCanns had taken a polygraph no matter what the outcome it would certainly have made me reconsider if the played a part in Madeleine's disappearance.

Luke Mitchell took a polygraph to prove he played no part in his girlfriend Jodie Jones's murder. Several of Elizabeth Smart's male relatives did too. They knew the pitfalls of taking the test but did it anyway because it was the only way of moving their cases forward.
@)(++(* So, if they'd failed the tests it would have made you reconsider their part in Madeleine's disappearance?  Yeah right.  And if they'd passed it you'd be assured that they were wholly innocent would you?

Offline faithlilly

Re: The question of the polygraph?
« Reply #333 on: July 23, 2015, 11:23:52 PM »
@)(++(* So, if they'd failed the tests it would have made you reconsider their part in Madeleine's disappearance?  Yeah right.  And if they'd passed it you'd be assured that they were wholly innocent would you?

That they'd agreed to take the test at all would have given me pause for thought yes.
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Alfred R Jones

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Re: The question of the polygraph?
« Reply #334 on: July 23, 2015, 11:28:01 PM »
That they'd agreed to take the test at all would have given me pause for thought yes.
Yes, you'd have paused for thought, and then carried on regardless.

Offline Alice Purjorick

Re: The question of the polygraph?
« Reply #335 on: July 23, 2015, 11:31:35 PM »
Rubbish.  It is a fact that had the McCanns taken and passed a polygraph test, those who are convinced they hid their child's body would remain convinced that they were right.  No one is honest enough to admit it however.

I take it you are having a laugh? or have taken leave of your senses?
It gets better and better.
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Offline faithlilly

Re: The question of the polygraph?
« Reply #336 on: July 23, 2015, 11:39:27 PM »
Yes, you'd have paused for thought, and then carried on regardless.

Who knows Alfie because they lacked the courage to do it.
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline pathfinder73

Re: The question of the polygraph?
« Reply #337 on: July 23, 2015, 11:40:06 PM »
You don't seem to have understood what I wrote.  Never mind, I'm sure others do.

Sorry I was doing some work at the time. You're correct that he had nothing to lose but he was still lying. I think a lie detector can be a great tool if used in the right way but you can't get a conviction from it.
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline faithlilly

Re: The question of the polygraph?
« Reply #338 on: July 23, 2015, 11:43:05 PM »
Sorry I was doing some work at the time. You're correct that he had nothing to lose but he was still lying. I think a lie detector can be a great tool if used in the right way but you can't get a conviction from it.

You can however refocus an investigation that you know is going in the wrong direction. A priority, you would think, if you believed your abducted daughter could still be found alive.
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline Brietta

Re: The question of the polygraph?
« Reply #339 on: July 24, 2015, 12:20:58 AM »

Considering that polygraph tests are inconclusive they would be nothing more nor less than a distraction from the police business of getting on with the job of finding evidence.

If they have investigated people and found no evidence worth pursuing it is puerile to suggest the result of a polygraph test will somehow spur them on to do what any professional should do ... and that is to keep looking for and investigating other avenues of investigation which may or may not provide evidence.
When one door closes another one opens.

The failure to find out what may have happened to Madeleine McCann can perhaps be put down to undue concentration on one theory which the final report prior to archiving her case blew out of the water.

It is amazing there are still people with all their eggs still in that particular basket.


I think the following answer to a forum question explains succinctly why it is inadvisable to submit to a polygraph test proving that the Drs McCann were perfectly correct not to do so.




M.S., Member, Connecticut Bar / FreeAdvice Contributing Attorney
Answered 6 years ago|
Contributor

You should not take a lie detector test, especially without an attorney present. 

It works like this:  The police need probable cause to arrest you for any crime. 

Moreover, polygraph tests are not conclusive. 

Therefore, if the police already have probable cause to arrest you prior to taking the polygraph test, they will do so regardless of your success or failure with respect to the test. 

Thus, if the police have probable cause to arrest you and you pass the test, that will not negate probable cause -- the police may just interpret it as a false negative. 

However, if the police do not have probable cause to arrest you but then you fail the test, the failed test result MAY give the police probable cause to arrest you. 

What this means, in practical terms, is that taking a polygraph test will do very little to exonerate you, but can potentially be used to incriminate you, even with a false positive. 

However, since these are serious accusations I suggest that you consult with and/or retain a skilled criminal defense attorney prior to making any further decisions (or having any more conversations with the police) with respect to this matter. 

After discussing the specific facts of this matter with a criminal defense attorney, he or she will be able to more specifically advise you with respect to the best course of action in this particular instance. 

Thus, in some limited situations a criminal defense attorney may, in fact suggest taking a polygraph test under certain circumstances. 
Regardless, you should consult with and/or retain a criminal defense attorney at your earliest convenience.

Read more: http://ask-a-lawyer.freeadvice.com/law-questions/can-i-refuse-a-lie-detect-5285.htm#ixzz3gl41eAS2
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Offline slartibartfast

Re: The question of the polygraph?
« Reply #340 on: July 24, 2015, 07:56:58 AM »
Precisely, had the mccanns taken the test and been exonerate all those championing the test here would then be telling us how unreliable they are...

Bit like the dogs really....
“Reasoning will never make a Man correct an ill Opinion, which by Reasoning he never acquired”.

Offline Mr Gray

Re: The question of the polygraph?
« Reply #341 on: July 24, 2015, 07:59:50 AM »
Bit like the dogs really....

exactly like the dogs...neither admissable

Alfred R Jones

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Re: The question of the polygraph?
« Reply #342 on: July 24, 2015, 08:00:07 AM »
I take it you are having a laugh? or have taken leave of your senses?
It gets better and better.
What precisely is your problem with what I have written?

Offline Mr Gray

Re: The question of the polygraph?
« Reply #343 on: July 24, 2015, 08:02:14 AM »
Who knows Alfie because they lacked the courage to do it.

they had the intelligence not to do it...unlike those on the Jeremy Kyle show...which is where Lie Detectors belong

Offline Mr Gray

Re: The question of the polygraph?
« Reply #344 on: July 24, 2015, 08:03:44 AM »
If the McCanns had taken a polygraph no matter what the outcome it would certainly have made me reconsider if the played a part in Madeleine's disappearance.

Luke Mitchell took a polygraph to prove he played no part in his girlfriend Jodie Jones's murder. Several of Elizabeth Smart's male relatives did too. They knew the pitfalls of taking the test but did it anyway because it was the only way of moving their cases forward.

Why only reconsider...so it would not convince you by your own admission and that's why the test would have been a waste of time