The question of the polygraph?

[stephen25000]

There was no negligence, and it is certainly unproven that leaving the children between checks had any bearing on Madeleine's abduction.

What abduction exactly ?

NO PROOF AT ALL.

[stephen25000]

The Rule of Law doesn't appear to agree with you.

The rule of law means, you can't be found innocent of a crime, unless you have been charged with one and found innocent.

Read up on hypothesis testing. It's quite enlightening.

[AnneGuedes]

The rule of law means, you can't be found innocent of a crime, unless you have been charged with one and found innocent.

Read up on hypothesis testing. It's quite enlightening.

The first issue is to define the nature of the crime. The investigation wasn't able to determine it. There was a fact (disappearance), but what sort of crime ?
It's easy to understand why, in the US, parents of missing children ask to be tested, not to appear innocent but to allow investigation to focus on their child. Even if it's not 100% accurate, the probability is high and doubt very much reduced. The issue in the McCann case is precisely doubt. How will they get out of it ?

[Eleanor]

The rule of law means, you can't be found innocent of a crime, unless you have been charged with one and found innocent.

Read up on hypothesis testing. It's quite enlightening.

What has that got to do with anything?  They haven't been charged or found guilty.  That's it really.

[Eleanor]

The first issue is to define the nature of the crime. The investigation wasn't able to determine it. There was a fact (disappearance), but what sort of crime ?
It's easy to understand why, in the US, parents of missing children ask to be tested, not to appear innocent but to allow investigation to focus on their child. Even if it's not 100% accurate, the probability is high and doubt very much reduced. The issue in the McCann case is precisely doubt. How will they get out of it ?

The McCanns are no longer concerned with the doubts of a few Internet Trolls.

[Benice]

The rule of law means, you can't be found innocent of a crime, unless you have been charged with one and found innocent.

Read up on hypothesis testing. It's quite enlightening.

I'm presuming you haven't been charged with any McCann related crime and found innocent  - so can we take it you should be regarded as a suspect?    An injection of common sense is required here methinks.

[Eleanor]

I'm presuming you haven't been charged with any McCann related crime and found innocent  - so can we take it you should be regarded as a suspect?    An injection of common sense is required here methinks.

Trolling is a Crime, you know.  Lots of evidence of that.

[Carana]

They volunteered to take one, then backed out. >@@(*&)

What exactly was the question asked and by whom, and what was the full reply ?

I suspect some selective editing.  "If they were asked... " - the article doesn't state by whom. Hint: the first article says "in Portugal".

So then the service provider to Jeremy Kyle's rival show makes an approach.

The second article fails to point out the question about accuracy. Odd that.


What would it have achieved anyway?

If they had done one and it turned out that the results were in the 4% error margin (assuming this guy's machines actually have the same alleged accuracy as those used in the US, which may or may not be the case) - it would have been all over the tabloids within minutes that they were "lying".

If it had turned out that the test had concluded that they had replied truthfully, the sceptics would have been googling for 500 hours to find instances in which people had managed to cheat the machine, or myths would have flown around that a service provider for a chav TV reality show had been paid a fortune to fake the results.



Kate and Gerry McCann are prepared to take a lie detector test to clear their names.


Last updated at 10:04 21 September 2007

The couple are so confident of their own innocence that would take the polygraph test in Portugal, a source close to the couple said.

(...)

The McCanns' offer to submit to lie detector tests would only serve to help clear any public doubts about the McCanns' guilt or innocence, as polygraphs are inadmissible in Portuguese courts and are never used by Portuguese police during the course of investigations.

The source said last night: "If they were asked to take a lie detector test, of course they would agree.

"Kate and Gerry are happy to do anything that would help clear their names."



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Now Kate McCann refuses to take a lie detector test to clear her name

By VANESSA ALLEN

Last updated at 16:58 19 November 2007

Kate McCann has refused to take a lie detector test about her daughter Madeleine's disappearance, it was revealed yesterday.

She and husband Gerry had offered to undergo a polygraph examination in September, after they were made official suspects in the investigation.

But it has now emerged that they have refused an expert's offer to carry it out, because the results would not be admissible as evidence to a Portuguese court.


Kate McCann: Refuses to take a lie detector test


Don Cargill, chairman of the British and European Polygraph Association, said the McCanns told him they would only take the test if it was 100 per cent accurate and admissible in a Portuguese court.

He told the Sunday Express: "Kate said she'd take it to prove her innocence but in reality, she wasn't willing.

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[stephen25000]

I'm presuming you haven't been charged with any McCann related crime and found innocent  - so can we take it you should be regarded as a suspect?    An injection of common sense is required here methinks.

What a load of cobblers.

I have and would never let any of my children alone and unguarded in the circumstances they did.

So what exactly is your point ?

[AnneGuedes]

Don't you think this polygraph episode was a PR mistake, Carana ?

[stephen25000]

The McCanns are no longer concerned with the doubts of a few Internet Trolls.

What a truly pathetic reply, but entirely predictable.

Tis a shame they didn't take care of their children properly in the first place, or haven't you grasped that point yet. >@@(*&)

[Eleanor]

What a truly pathetic reply, but entirely predictable.

Tis a shame they didn't take care of their children properly in the first place, or haven't you grasped that point yet. >@@(*&)

I thought this Thread was about Polygraphs.  There must be another Thread where you can slag them off about their parenting skills.

[Carana]

Don't you think this polygraph episode was a PR mistake, Carana ?

In what way?

Someone (press?) asked "a source" if they would be willing to take a test.

What the papers actually report of the question and answer can be subject to selective editing.

[Jean-Pierre]

Kate and Gerry are happy to do anything that will help them to clear their names,” a source close to the couple said.

Which is jornalistic speak for a made up story. 

Did either Mr or Mrs Mccann ever actually say anything about a polygraph? 

[Eleanor]

Kate and Gerry are happy to do anything that will help them to clear their names,” a source close to the couple said.

Which is jornalistic speak for a made up story. 

Did either Mr or Mrs Mccann ever actually say anything about a polygraph?

Since Polygraphs are not normal procedure in Britain or Portugal, then I very much doubt it.