Author Topic: Were the previous burglaries at Ocean Club Garden related to the abduction?  (Read 30636 times)

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Offline Heriberto Janosch

What do you think?

There was a theft 17 days before the abduction of Madeleine in the same block of apartments: "... most recently on 16th April 2007 there was a theft from an apartment in Block 5L, from where a plasma display screen, credit cards and a mobile phone belonging to the respective guests were taken ...".

"... the theft took place at the end of the day and according to the guests the event happened when they had left for dinner after completing check in and having left their suitcases in the apartment [...] the guests having said that they had just left the door on the latch ..."

The detail is as follows. Was it a coincidence that the theft occurred just after the check in, and in a second floor apartment? If it was no coincidence how the thief got the information? Who had that information?

Heri.


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Offline sadie

What do you think?

http://espacioexterior.blogspot.com.es/2013/06/the-madeleine-mccann-abduction-just.html

Heri.
Jeez, Heri, where did you find that?

Another burglary via the front door?  That makes three (Madeleine almost certainly went via the front door despite the blinds being up and the window open) in the same block in a matter of three weeks, doesn't it?

Well found Heri



The front door again

stephen25000

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Speculation, speculation and more speculation.

A burglary, wow !

Now that never happens anywhere does it. 8**8:/:

P.S. Heri.  YOU CAN'T CALL IT AN ABDUCTION UNLESS THERE IS PROOF OF IT.

It remains a 'thesis'.

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Offline Benice

Jeez, Heri, where did you find that?

Another burglary via the front door?  That makes three (Madeleine almost certainly went via the front door despite the blinds being up and the window open) in the same block in a matter of three weeks, doesn't it?

Well found Heri



The front door again

Actually Amaral does mention  'entry with a key via the front door' as a possibility - but then for some reason discards that theory.


The notion that innocence prevails over guilt – when there is no evidence to the contrary – is what separates civilization from barbarism.    Unfortunately, there are remains of barbarism among us.    Until very recently, it headed the PJ in Portimão. I hope he was the last one.
                                               Henrique Monteiro, chief editor, Expresso, Portugal

icabodcrane

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What is the intimation in this thread  ?

That a burglar went into the McCanns apartment to steal valuables,  but took a child instead  ? 

Offline Benice

What is the intimation in this thread  ?

That a burglar went into the McCanns apartment to steal valuables,  but took a child instead  ?

I thought it was the apparent ease in which intruders could get in through the front doors of the apartments. 
The notion that innocence prevails over guilt – when there is no evidence to the contrary – is what separates civilization from barbarism.    Unfortunately, there are remains of barbarism among us.    Until very recently, it headed the PJ in Portimão. I hope he was the last one.
                                               Henrique Monteiro, chief editor, Expresso, Portugal

icabodcrane

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I thought it was the apparent ease in which intruders could get in through the front doors of the apartments.

ahh,  I see  ( I misunderstood  )

On the subject of the front door having been the point of entry  (  via a duplicate key  )  why is it,  do you think,  that the McCanns themselves,  their friends, family,  and spokesman,  have never proffered this theory  ? 

Offline Benice

ahh,  I see  ( I misunderstood  )

On the subject of the front door having been the point of entry  (  via a duplicate key  )  why is it,  do you think,  that the McCanns themselves,  their friends, family,  and spokesman,  have never proffered this theory  ?

They have Icab.

From Kate's book:

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For a long while we would assume that the abductor had entered and exited through  the window of the children's bedroom, but it is equally possible that he used the patio doors or even had a key to the front door.
End Quote


The notion that innocence prevails over guilt – when there is no evidence to the contrary – is what separates civilization from barbarism.    Unfortunately, there are remains of barbarism among us.    Until very recently, it headed the PJ in Portimão. I hope he was the last one.
                                               Henrique Monteiro, chief editor, Expresso, Portugal

Redblossom

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What do you think?

http://espacioexterior.blogspot.com.es/2013/06/the-madeleine-mccann-abduction-just.html

Heri.

I think anyone who leaves the door on the latch and their credit cards and mobiles in their holiday rent   is careless

Source of the story with full statement

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARIA-GONCALVES.htm

Witness Statement
 
Maria Da Graca Guerreiro Alao Goncalves
 
Date/Time: 2007/05/07 11H00
Record (book) Keeper
Portuguese
 
She comes to the case as a witness, having worked as a record (book)-keeper in the Accounting Section of the Ocean Club resort in Praia da Luz since 1985;
She states that her functions involve all accounting services of the resort, but mainly the administration of the payment of accounts;
 
When asked, she says that she does not have any direct contact with the guests, as when payments are made, they are not made directly to her;
 
When asked she says that she does not know Madeleine’s parents, nor the child, given that, as she has already stated, she has no direct contact with guests;
She says that as far as she can remember, during the years that she has worked at the resort, she knows of some thefts from inside the apartments and most recently on 16th April 2007 there was a theft from an apartment in Block 5 L, from where a plasma display screen, credit cards and a mobile phone belonging to the respective guests were taken.
As far as she knows, as she prepared the papers for the insurance company, the theft took place at the end of the day and according to the guests the event happened when they had left for dinner after completing check in and having left their suitcases in the apartment.
 
She says that she does not remember having been told that doors or windows had been forced, the guests having said that they had just left the door on the latch, however she is not certain.

When asked, she says that she was never told of the existence of any suspects or where those responsible for the theft had been identified.
When asked, she replies that she has no knowledge of strange or unknown individuals who have been stopped or seen inside or outside of the resort during the time that she has worked there.
 
When asked, she says that she has never been asked about the functioning of the resort or more precisely about the type of guests that frequent the resort, although some friends have asked her if there was work to be had in the cleaning sector.
She says that on the 3rd of May, 2007, she came to work as normal, at 09H30, left at 13H00, having gone to lunch at home in Lagos and returned at 14H30;
During this period, she does not remember having seen any individual or vehicle that caught her attention;
 
At about 18H30, she left work and went home and again did not see anything out of the ordinary or suspicious in the exterior of the resort;
She became aware of the facts the next day, Friday, by means of a colleague.
 
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Redblossom

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ahh,  I see  ( I misunderstood  )

On the subject of the front door having been the point of entry  (  via a duplicate key  )  why is it,  do you think,  that the McCanns themselves,  their friends, family,  and spokesman,  have never proffered this theory  ?

Not until 2011, when interviewed by Piers Morgan and slightly different to what KM says in her book

MORGAN: No, actual evidence. There's nothing they could find to say this is unequivocally how this person came in?

G. MCCANN: No. I mean, it's possible they came through the window. They could have come through the patio doors, although that was in sight of where we were dining. So I think that's probably less likely. For all we know, they could have had a key, you know, lots of people stayed in that apartment over years to the front door --

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=1779.0

See transcript
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Offline Carana

I think anyone who leaves the door on the latch and their credit cards and mobiles in their holiday rent   is careless


What does leaving a door "on the latch" mean when supposedly doors can't be opened from the outside without a key?

NB She only says that she thinks that might have been the case.

Redblossom

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What does leaving a door "on the latch" mean when supposedly doors can't be opened from the outside without a key?

NB She only says that she thinks that might have been the case.

door on the latch must refer to a communal door

an apartment front door cant be left on the latch can it

AnneGuedes

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A credit card opens doors left on the latch. Except for 5A, screw obstruction.

Offline Benice

A credit card opens doors left on the latch. Except for 5A, screw obstruction.

Why do you think Amaral didn't follow up the possibility that an abductor had entered through the front door with a key Anne?   It's obvious that intruders did get into apartments via the front door -and yet apart from acknowledging that it could have happened that way, he apparently goes no further down that road of enquiry.   I find that very strange  - don't you?   
The notion that innocence prevails over guilt – when there is no evidence to the contrary – is what separates civilization from barbarism.    Unfortunately, there are remains of barbarism among us.    Until very recently, it headed the PJ in Portimão. I hope he was the last one.
                                               Henrique Monteiro, chief editor, Expresso, Portugal