Why did the sniffer dogs fail to find Madeleine?

[Mrs. B]

You have to admit, Mrs. B, that I answered your post comparing the "McCann" translation and Astro's one. In order to give my opinion, I had to find the original text and compare. I'm not like you, I'm not at all tidy !

I wasn't actually referring to you, Anne. I was thinking about someone is constantly whining about threats to doubters but seems unable to come up with any sort of proof.

[Mrs. B]

So now you have Anne's answer perhaps you will give us ours ?

Why? Have you produced a link to where in the files it says that the particular dogs used in PDL had been subjected to this particular training yet? Anne says she'll find some articles which are GENERAL I assume, not dog specific.

Also, when it comes to Eddie, let's just remember a few things - Coconut, 2nd hand furniture, used tissues....there is no way to know WHAT that dog was alerting to. He was simply not reliable.

[AnneGuedes]

Why? Have you produced a link to where in the files it says that the particular dogs used in PDL had been subjected to this particular training yet? Anne says she'll find some articles which are GENERAL I assume, not dog specific.

Also, when it comes to Eddie, let's just remember a few things - Coconut, 2nd hand furniture, used tissues....there is no way to know WHAT that dog was alerting to. He was simply not reliable.

Shall I spend time finding those articles, Mrs. B ? Haven't you enough living beings to mock? Harrison who all of a sudden was Professor, Sir Martin Grime, Eddie the coconut dog, the unqualifiable Gonçalo Amaral, the intruder hunter Pamela Fenn, Numi the patrol dog who pretended to be a tracker one, Mrs McCann lifting a bin's lid, and one day possibly Madeleine herself asking Mr Oldfied to play the monster, etc.

[Eleanor]

This is not true. After a cataclysm, the first dogs sent are scent air dogs, trained not to react to the scent of death because the priority is to save those who can be saved.

It would be a bit tough if there was a live person underneath a couple of dead bodies, if what you say is true. 
Eddie was initially trained for such disasters, so if he was trained to ignore cadavers then how did Martin Grime later teach him to do the opposite?

[faithlilly]

Why? Have you produced a link to where in the files it says that the particular dogs used in PDL had been subjected to this particular training yet? Anne says she'll find some articles which are GENERAL I assume, not dog specific.

Also, when it comes to Eddie, let's just remember a few things - Coconut, 2nd hand furniture, used tissues....there is no way to know WHAT that dog was alerting to. He was simply not reliable.

But we are not talking about Eddie, are we. Mrs B if you can't provide a link please say so.

[sadie]

Why? Have you produced a link to where in the files it says that the particular dogs used in PDL had been subjected to this particular training yet? Anne says she'll find some articles which are GENERAL I assume, not dog specific.

Also, when it comes to Eddie, let's just remember a few things - Coconut, 2nd hand furniture, used tissues....there is no way to know WHAT that dog was alerting to. He was simply not reliable.

[stephen25000]

 

[sadie]

In that case, I will bump it again, Stephen

You obviously had your mind shut down and did NOT notice the emboldening I had added

Quote from: Mrs. B on Today at 12:41:56 AM

Why? Have you produced a link to where in the files it says that the particular dogs used in PDL had been subjected to this particular training yet? Anne says she'll find some articles which are GENERAL I assume, not dog specific.

Also, when it comes to Eddie, let's just remember a few things - Coconut, 2nd hand furniture, used tissues....there is no way to know WHAT that dog was alerting to. He was simply not reliable.

   He who laughs last, laughs longest !


Maybe I should do a string of laughing faces? No, I will resist

[stephen25000]

In that case, I will bump it again, Stephen

You obviously had your mind shut down and did NOT notice the emboldening I had added

Quote from: Mrs. B on Today at 12:41:56 AM
   He who laughs last, laughs longest !


Maybe I should do a string of laughing faces? No, I will resist

What a load of coconuts.   8-)(--)

I've heard all that rubbish a long time ago.

[sadie]

What a load of coconuts.   8-)(--)

I've heard all that rubbish a long time ago.

Ah!
Coconuts!  Where's Eddie?

[sadie]

What a load of coconuts.   8-)(--)

I've heard all that rubbish a long time ago.

Seriously Stephen

Do you have anything to add apart from insults and lightweight comments

I can do that too as you have seen, but I can also [post some heavyweight stuff.

Lets have yours.

Starting with your theory for what happened, using facts rather than myths and hatred

[icabodcrane]

Just to re-cap then

The dog brought in to find a living person  didn't find anything   ?

The dog brought in to find the scent of a dead person did find something  ? 

[TTSOFAFM]

From Archiving Dispatch

During this night and the following dawn, intensive searches were made by PJ officers, GNR soldiers with sniffer dogs and by members of the public organised in groups, as well as by the parents, groups of friends and employees of the resort.
At 02.00 in the morning following the disappearance two sniffer dogs arrived in Praia da Luz and continued searching until the morning, covering the entire perimeter of the Ocean Club resort, urban area, waste ground and the closest homes, all the possible sites where the girl might be having been searched, the search later being extended to the beach area, the PJ duty officer also requested the GNR to issue an order for all officers who were on patrol to be alert and identify cars and persons that were circulating at that time.
 
At 08.00 the GNR Search and Rescue sniffer dog team came into action, searches were begun from the resort in the direction of the beach, covering a 2 km area; in Praia da Luz 300m radius searches were made as well searches of abandoned houses, wells and waste land, the radius subsequently being expanded to 600m including the verges of the EN 125 motorway.
 
Subsequently an attempt was made to reconstruct the route taken by Madeleine by giving the dogs a blanket/towel used by her, but the results were not significant, given that the dogs are more trained for use in rural areas rather than urban or populated areas, the existence of more odours in the air making it impossible for the tracker dog to identify/locate the “target smell”.
 
Searches were also carried out in two camping parks in Espiche and in Praia da Luz to inspect the bungalows whose occupants had left on the day of the disappearance; the searches were extended to line searches with the help of Portimao GNR soldiers over a larger area, searches having been made of all the vehicles parked in the Praia da Luz car parks. Subsequently, the searches were extended to the villages of Barao de S. Joao, Burgau, Bensafrim and Salema.

States clearly dogs were more trained in searches in rural areas than urban populated areas. 

http://mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/LEGAL_SUMMARY.htm

[AnneGuedes]

3 dogs followed the same route after smelling Madeleine's blanket/towel. A patrol dog didn't react.

[stephen25000]

Seriously Stephen

Do you have anything to add apart from insults and lightweight comments

I can do that too as you have seen, but I can also [post some heavyweight stuff.

Lets have yours.

Starting with your theory for what happened, using facts rather than myths and hatred

Heavyweight position  ?

Not really.

You have a default position and nothing else of any concern.

The Mccanns did nothing wrong, and anyone accusing them of being poor parents, are nasty,nasty people. 8-)(--) 8-)(--)