Why did the sniffer dogs fail to find Madeleine?

[John]

We take another look at why if Madeleine had been abducted and subsequently left somewhere, why did the sniffer dogs fail to find any trace of her?

[Lace]

If the body was in an abandoned building or bin, then the dogs would have found her.

[faithlilly]

If the body was in an abandoned building or bin, then the dogs would have found her.

The first dogs brought in where brought in to find a living child not a body.

[south of the river]

The dogs were brought in to find any scent - any clue -  The police by this stage would have been stupid to not to consider   that Madeleine could have perhaps be deceased - every one would have that horrible thought at the back of their minds from the get go - your child goes missing in that scenario and then after an hour you cant help but think the worse,

We just keep on coming back to the same old - If the Smith sighting was of Gerry looking for a hiding place then he would have minutes - not hours or days but literarily minutes to dispose of the body -  and then the body remain so well hidden that over the next weeks not one  dog/ or search got near - until they them moved the body in the hire car  - again without anyone noticing a thing

People say that the abduction theory has no evidence  therefore didn't happen - but the disposal by Gerry in the timeline that allows the Smith sighting to be correct is just plain daft

[AnneGuedes]

If the body was in an abandoned building or bin, then the dogs would have found her.

No, they precisely wouldn't have followed that trail. The referent scent they were given was the scent of an alive Madeleine.
Sorry, Faithlilly, I only see now you had answered already. In fact sniffer dogs are trained to avoid cadaver scent.

[Mrs. B]

The first dogs that were brought in were public order dogs, with SOME training in tracking, we've been through this before. ALL dogs will react to the scent of a dead animal, you cannot un-train that instinct, same as you cannot un-train male dogs reaction to female dogs in heat.

If someone has managed to un-train dogs in that capacity, I'd like to see some credible links, because that would be sensational.

[faithlilly]

The first dogs that were brought in were public order dogs, with SOME training in tracking, we've been through this before. ALL dogs will react to the scent of a dead animal, you cannot un-train that instinct, same as you cannot un-train male dogs reaction to female dogs in heat.

If someone has managed to un-train dogs in that capacity, I'd like to see some credible links, because that would be sensational.

I'm sure you can supply evidence to back up your claims above Mrs B.

If the dogs brought in alerted to the scent of a dead animal why weren't they drawn to the waste ground on the edge of PDL where, I'm sure, there are many feral animal carcasses ?

[Mrs. B]

Think this is at least the THIRD time - Strange that it has to be repeated time & time again, has none of you read the files?

His dog's speciality is patrolling (Maintenance of Public Order) although the dog also has some training in "tracking".

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/CARLOS-LACAO.htm

ETA Any magical "un-training" natural instincts mentioned by the dog handler in the link above?

[AnneGuedes]

The first dogs that were brought in were public order dogs, with SOME training in tracking, we've been through this before. ALL dogs will react to the scent of a dead animal, you cannot un-train that instinct, same as you cannot un-train male dogs reaction to female dogs in heat.

If someone has managed to un-train dogs in that capacity, I'd like to see some credible links, because that would be sensational.

It has already be said : Rex is described as a pure sniffer dog (not an air scent dog). He confirmed Numi that "had some training in tracking".
You are very wrong, Mrs B. Read the reports on Eddie and you will see that Eddie was trained to react only to human cadaver scent.
There's nothing sensational in this. If the dogs reacted to whatever they fancy, they would be of no use whatsoever.

[Mrs. B]

No, Eddie was NOT only trained to alert to Cadavers. Eddie was also trained to alert to dried blood from LIVE people.

Grime - The dog EVRD also alerts to blood from a live human being or only from a cadaver'


What you were on about earlier was that the "sniffer dogs" were trained to AVOID cadavers. There is NO such statement from any of the dog handlers in the official files. Or you can now can you go & find a link to prove me wrong.

[AnneGuedes]

No, Eddie was NOT only trained to alert to Cadavers. Eddie was also trained to alert to dried blood from LIVE people.

Grime - The dog EVRD also alerts to blood from a live human being or only from a cadaver'


What you were on about earlier was that the "sniffer dogs" were trained to AVOID cadavers. There is NO such statement from any of the dog handlers in the official files. Or you can now can you go & find a link to prove me wrong.

This is not true. After a cataclysm, the first dogs sent are scent air dogs, trained not to react to the scent of death because the priority is to save those who can be saved.

[sadie]

No, Eddie was NOT only trained to alert to Cadavers. Eddie was also trained to alert to dried blood from LIVE people.

Grime - The dog EVRD also alerts to blood from a live human being or only from a cadaver'

  This is true

Eddie was NOT only trained to alert to Cadavers. Eddie was also trained to alert to dried blood from LIVE people.

[Mrs. B]

This is not true. After a cataclysm, the first dogs sent are scent air dogs, trained not to react to the scent of death because the priority is to save those who can be saved.

LINK please to where it says that the regular sniffer dogs used in PDL were trained to AVOID cadavers. As I said, I cannot see ANY of the dog handlers' mentioning this extraordinary training in the official files.

[faithlilly]

No, Eddie was NOT only trained to alert to Cadavers. Eddie was also trained to alert to dried blood from LIVE people.

Grime - The dog EVRD also alerts to blood from a live human being or only from a cadaver'


What you were on about earlier was that the "sniffer dogs" were trained to AVOID cadavers. There is NO such statement from any of the dog handlers in the official files. Or you can now can you go & find a link to prove me wrong.

You have yet to prove that the dogs deployed shortly after Madeleine's disappearance tracked anything but live people. Further if Eddie alerts to dried blood yet Keela didn't alert in the McCann's bedroom, what exactly do you think Eddie alerted to if not cadaver ?

[sadie]

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Link for Mrs B please.

LINK please to where it says that the regular sniffer dogs used in PDL were trained to AVOID cadavers. As I said, I cannot see ANY of the dog handlers' mentioning this extraordinary training in the official files.