Why did the sniffer dogs fail to find Madeleine?

[Redblossom]

We take another look at why if Madeleine had been abducted and subsequently left somewhere, why did the sniffer dogs fail to find any trace of her?

I think that question can only by answered by someone who is an expert in live personal scent detecting dogs and the situations and facts of this case, all we can do is speculate from amateur understandings

Eta

The questions remain though

Why no dogs picked up any scent in the direction of either alledged carriers that night, tannerman and smithman
Why no dogs picked up anyscent at least down the path and through to the car park if an abductor took her to a car
Why the dogs used on at least two occasions ALL picked up the same scent trail leading out of the apartment and continung to the left and round the block and down the alley, down to the tapas bar entrance  and across the street to the car park, a route Gerry said all his three kids took a few days earlier on a morning they were all taking to their nurseries
These  dogs picked up her scent only in places she would have been, never in places she shouldnt have been, ergo, she was never in those places

Of course if she was taken on the night of may 3 completely wrapped in a blanket or in a bag the dogs would have found nothing

PS Icab your question was spot on and something to think about, no scent of an alive madeleine anywhere she may have been taken,withthe single proviso above, but the remnant scent of a dead body found by the cadaver dog in the parents room and elsewhere...for anyone to say this is irrelevant is barmy

[sadie]

Heavyweight position  ?

Not really.

You have a default position and nothing else of any concern.

The Mccanns did nothing wrong, and anyone accusing them of being poor parents, are nasty,nasty people. 8-)(--) 8-)(--)

You guys Nasty nasty people? 8-)(--)  8-)(--) 

Well you said it !


I do have a default position because I have thoroughly investigated over almost 6 years as, I believe,  no other person on here has.[with the possible exception of Heris, but I think his investigation has been going on for a shorter period.  He is very thorough tho. and understands the language, which I do not.]  I can find no way that the Mccanns could have done it or reason why


Stephen, as I have said before, if you wish to convince us of your theory that the Mccanns were responsible in some way, then give us your valid theory.  It is no good if it is based on nothing factual tho.  You must give facts and a real basis for it to be considered.

[Redblossom]

I do have a default position because I have thoroughly investigated over almost 6 years as, I believe,  no other person on here has.

Oooer,LOL, you know how much each person here has or has not investigated or read the files, and you also forget how many times you are completelyand utterly wrong, hardly,  miss marple of the mccann case
 

bet your mates are happy about that, not....

[stephen25000]

You guys Nasty nasty people? 8-)(--)  8-)(--) 

Well you said it !


I do have a default position because I have thoroughly investigated over almost 6 years as, I believe,  no other person on here has.[with the possible exception of Heris, but I think his investigation has been going on for a shorter period.  He is very thorough tho. and understands the language, which I do not.]  I can find no way that the Mccanns could have done it or reason why


Stephen, as I have said before, if you wish to convince us of your theory that the Mccanns were responsible in some way, then give us your valid theory.  It is no good if it is based on nothing factual tho.  You must give facts and a real basis for it to be considered.

You clearly don't comprehend irony Sadie.

Your default position won't change because you made up your mind at the start.

I too felt sympathy for the parents of missing children at the start of the case,but when I learned from a friend living there they stayed in the apartment overnight and didn't search, that's when my suspicions started.

She had the audacity in the book to complain no one searched for Madeleine other than them, a blatant lie, one amongst others.

I have seen no evidence of abduction that would stand up in court and contrary to how some of the extreme mccannites think, the Mccanns were never stitched up.

The only indications of what happened to Madeleine were what the dogs showed. True the D.N.A. was inconclusive, but it doesn't mean that it can be disregarded, but that's old news.

The Mccanns claimed abduction from the start, how did they know she hadn't walked out of the apartment ?

After all it was 'unlocked', and there is so much more.

[Benice]

You clearly don't comprehend irony Sadie.

Your default position won't change because you made up your mind at the start.

I too felt sympathy for the parents of missing children at the start of the case,but when I learned from a friend living there they stayed in the apartment overnight and didn't search, that's when my suspicions started.

She had the audacity in the book to complain no one searched for Madeleine other than them, a blatant lie, one amongst others.

I have seen no evidence of abduction that would stand up in court and contrary to how some of the extreme mccannites think, the Mccanns were never stitched up.

The only indications of what happened to Madeleine were what the dogs showed. True the D.N.A. was inconclusive, but it doesn't mean that it can be disregarded, but that's old news.

The Mccanns claimed abduction from the start, how did they know she hadn't walked out of the apartment ?

After all it was 'unlocked', and there is so much more.

Where was your friend then Stephen?  - in their apartment with them or watching them from outside - to know what they did or didn't do overnight?      They were talking to the police until late into the night,   Diane Webster who WAS actually with them watched them go out searching.   They were also seen by a GNR officer.

While they were out searching they saw no-one else - and because of that they felt they were alone at that particular time - as anyone would in those circumstances.    Particulary as the PJ had all left and said they would not be back until after 9.00 the next morning.   

Forensic testing of the dogs 'swabs' - revealed no proof whatsoever of any wrongdoing by the McCanns.

[stephen25000]

Where was your friend then Stephen?  - in their apartment with them or watching them from outside - to know what they did or didn't do overnight?      They were talking to the police until late into the night,   Diane Webster who WAS actually with them watched them go out searching.   They were also seen by a GNR officer.

While they were out searching they saw no-one else - and because of that they felt they were alone at that particular time - as anyone would in those circumstances.    Particulary as the PJ had all left and said they would not be back until after 9.00 the next morning.   

Forensic testing of the dogs 'swabs' - revealed no proof whatsoever of any wrongdoing by the McCanns.

You are trying to rewrite history.

It doesn't wash.

Unlike 'cuddlecat'.

[Benice]

You are trying to rewrite history.

It doesn't wash.

Unlike 'cuddlecat'.

What history am I trying to rewrite?

[Carana]

@ Stephen

"...but when I learned from a friend living there they stayed in the apartment overnight"


I'm curious as well.

A friend with them, watching them that night?

[stephen25000]

@ Stephen

"...but when I learned from a friend living there they stayed in the apartment overnight"


I'm curious as well.

A friend with them, watching them that night?

Nil points on that one.

He searched throughout the night for Madeleine as did many other local people, holidaymakers, etc.

The Mccanns didn't.

Don't bother with an irrelevant reply, just watch the Jane Hill interview.

[AnneGuedes]

Forensic testing of the dogs 'swabs' - revealed no proof whatsoever of any wrongdoing by the McCanns.

This is trying to rewrite history. How could dogs' "swabs" reveal wrong or right doing by the McCanns ? The blood was in fact in too bad condition to be plainly identified, but enough to determine it wasn't Madeleine's.
What about the cadaver scent Eddie picked up in the flat ?
No forensic, no proof. But the alerts occurred. As Icabodcrane noticed (it was before you arrived on this forum, Benice), what could have pushed Eddie to alert ? Whatever the scent that made Eddie alert, it was only in the 5A and not in the flats occupied by the group or by the McCanns after Madeleine vanished.
And Icabodcrane goes further  : if a dog had indicated the presence of explosives in a plane you're intending to flight on, but no bomb had been found, would you embark as invited to by the crew with a "well come on board, there's nothing to fear". Would you ?
 

[DCI]

You clearly don't comprehend irony Sadie.

Your default position won't change because you made up your mind at the start.

I too felt sympathy for the parents of missing children at the start of the case,but when I learned from a friend living there they stayed in the apartment overnight and didn't search, that's when my suspicions started.

She had the audacity in the book to complain no one searched for Madeleine other than them, a blatant lie, one amongst others.

I have seen no evidence of abduction that would stand up in court and contrary to how some of the extreme mccannites think, the Mccanns were never stitched up.

The only indications of what happened to Madeleine were what the dogs showed. True the D.N.A. was inconclusive, but it doesn't mean that it can be disregarded, but that's old news.

The Mccanns claimed abduction from the start, how did they know she hadn't walked out of the apartment ?

After all it was 'unlocked', and there is so much more.

Is that the same friend that told you the McCanns scrubbed the apartment with bleach, Stephen?

[Redblossom]

Now, lets get back on topic, why did the live scenting dogs NOT find madeleines scent except from places she was and NOT from places she  shouldnt have been, ie in the directions of tannerman or smithman, is it because she was never there?

[Redblossom]

I think that question can only by answered by someone who is an expert in live personal scent detecting dogs and the situations and facts of this case, all we can do is speculate from amateur understandings

Eta

The questions remain though

Why no dogs picked up any scent in the direction of either alledged carriers that night, tannerman and smithman
Why no dogs picked up anyscent at least down the path and through to the car park if an abductor took her to a car
Why the dogs used on at least two occasions ALL picked up the same scent trail leading out of the apartment and continung to the left and round the block and down the alley, down to the tapas bar entrance  and across the street to the car park, a route Gerry said all his three kids took a few days earlier on a morning they were all taking to their nurseries
These  dogs picked up her scent only in places she would have been, never in places she shouldnt have been, ergo, she was never in those places

Of course if she was taken on the night of may 3 completely wrapped in a blanket or in a bag the dogs would have found nothing

PS Icab your question was spot on and something to think about, no scent of an alive madeleine anywhere she may have been taken,withthe single proviso above, but the remnant scent of a dead body found by the cadaver dog in the parents room and elsewhere...for anyone to say this is irrelevant is barmy

Bumped

[Carana]

Nil points on that one.

He searched throughout the night for Madeleine as did many other local people, holidaymakers, etc.

The Mccanns didn't.

Don't bother with an irrelevant reply, just watch the Jane Hill interview.

Of course, they didn't search throughout the night. They had to be available to try to explain to two different police forces what had happened, via volunteer interpreters, and to try to ensure that action was being taken.

[Benice]

Nil points on that one.

He searched throughout the night for Madeleine as did many other local people, holidaymakers, etc.

The Mccanns didn't.

Don't bother with an irrelevant reply, just watch the Jane Hill interview.

If he was searching for Madeleine, how would be know what the McCanns were doing?    Did he know the precise whereabouts of all the other people who were searching?    How did he know what the McCanns looked like?   

Jane Hill doesn't ask Kate whether she ever searched or not.    She asked if she hadn't felt she wanted to join in with the searches by the locals, which began in earnest the next morning  and continued for many days - it was that period of time she was referring to.     Kate's, reply begins with... 'I mean, I did' - which to some people apparently translates as  ....'I mean, I didn't'

Jane Hill didn't ask about the hotel staff search procedure - so maybe that didn't happen either in your opinion?

On the 4th May they spent the day at the police station. When they got back hundreds of reporters had arrived. The chances of Kate or Gerry being able to go out and search themselves once that happened was nil.   They would have been mobbed on sight.