Author Topic: The Amaral theory of what happened to Madeleine.  (Read 67377 times)

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Offline sadie

Re: Re: The Amaral theory of what happened to Madeleine.
« Reply #90 on: June 27, 2013, 01:16:31 AM »
Sadie is right : he either went south (steps) or east (church). But he might have changed his mind towards west when Aoife was gone.
Thank you Anne.

I concede that he just might have looped back again to the west, but it is unlikely, cos any of them could have looked back at any moment .... and neither would he have wanted to hang around, would he?

I think he went south, or east

AnneGuedes

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« Reply #91 on: June 27, 2013, 01:17:11 AM »
Sorry but I simply don't agree, Kate McCann is writing about HER experiences, they are REAL to her, nobody else can say they are not. Amaral on the other hand waffles on about people he hasn't even MET before, he describes Kate McCann's feelings though he's never even talked to her. And that is made purely in an attempt to deceive the reader that he had first hand knowledge, which we now know he had NOT.
Doesn't Mrs McCann "waffle on" about Mr Amaral though she claims she never met him ?
Nobody can impose the world his/her perception of reality and ordain it is reality. It's at best an interpretation.

AnneGuedes

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« Reply #92 on: June 27, 2013, 01:19:07 AM »
That just doesn't make sense, so they chuck their child in the bin & then they tell the world that they went & checked the bin? It was Kate McCann who said she'd checked it, not Amaral, now why on earth would she care to share that detail if she knew her dead child had been in it?
L'assassin revient toujours sur les lieux de son crime.
I'm kidding. Well have you read this passage ?

AnneGuedes

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Re: Re: The Amaral theory of what happened to Madeleine.
« Reply #93 on: June 27, 2013, 01:24:20 AM »
She isn't Anne. At the bottom of the road the carrier could have turned right and carried on up the hill. I was in PDL the night the Smith sighting was being filmed for Amaral's documentary and saw the actor filming the scene while walking by on the road he could have taken.
But Aoife saw him as he was walking in her direction after crossing 25 de Abril and she was about to cross herself the other way round. If she had turned her head, she likely would have seen where he was heading.

Offline Mrs. B

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« Reply #94 on: June 27, 2013, 01:26:02 AM »
Doesn't Mrs McCann "waffle on" about Mr Amaral though she claims she never met him ?
Nobody can impose the world his/her perception of reality and ordain it is reality. It's at best an interpretation.

No she doesn't - she knows what he's written is his book, she knows what he's said in interviews. They weren't allowed to give interviews at that time, they hadn't written any book. HE HAD!

Offline Mrs. B

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« Reply #95 on: June 27, 2013, 01:27:40 AM »
L'assassin revient toujours sur les lieux de son crime.
I'm kidding. Well have you read this passage ?

Well, in detective novels they do, but not even in detective novels are the criminals so stupid they tell the whole world about it. Which passage are you referring to?

ETA Oops -it's very late here - speak later. Doesn't time just fly by when you're having fun? LOL
« Last Edit: June 27, 2013, 01:31:50 AM by Mrs. B »

AnneGuedes

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« Reply #96 on: June 27, 2013, 01:58:02 AM »
Having fun ?
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Offline Benice

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« Reply #97 on: June 27, 2013, 07:16:16 AM »
No, you haven't got it right, Benice.  Why are you pretending Inspector Amaral said Mr Mcann buried Madeleine on the beach ?

I'm not pretending anything Anne, this is what Amaral said in his interview when asked for his opinion.

A - To me, Gerry hid Madeleine's body on the beach. And after a few days he moved her with his car.
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Offline Benice

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« Reply #98 on: June 27, 2013, 08:45:08 AM »
Then it is his word against hers !

It's ludicrous to suggest that Kate  would decide to lie publically in her book and claim she had never met him or spoke to him if that wasn't true  - as Amaral would be able to disprove it from his records, and there would be other PJ witnesses to confirm that she lied too.   If Amaral could have found anything in her book which he could prove to be untrue he would have been shouting it from the rooftops long before now.   But not a peep from him. 

Why he decided from the start not to meet the McCanns is a mystery  - but he obviously realises that it was a big mistake, because he makes every effort to conceal that fact from the Public  - especially from the Portuguese public imo  - both in his book and in interviews.

Totally dishonest IMO.





 

 

 
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Offline south of the river

Re: Re: The Amaral theory of what happened to Madeleine.
« Reply #99 on: June 27, 2013, 10:01:33 AM »
so at least we now have a germs of a theory if you implicate Gerry  . So On Gerry's check - he discovered Madeleine dead - he then left the apartment to ponder - met JW - chatted and then went back to the table to either inform the group of what he found and what to do OR kept it all to himself.

Then made a decision without telling anyone to nip back to the apartment grab the dead Maddie and rush down to PDL - where he was spotted by the Smiths . He then hid Maddie in a bin  and nipped back to the restaurant just as Kate was making the discovery . The bin men came and went and Maddies  body lost forever in landfill ?

Timings are a nightmare if you look at all restaurant staff - also if none of the other Tapas are implicated surely to goodness his being missing for 10 to 15 minutes would have been noticed by the rest

Even if this is logistically possible - which I highly doubt  I just cant see the reason why Gerry on discovering his daughter deceased would quickly act like this ............ ???

AnneGuedes

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Re: Re: The Amaral theory of what happened to Madeleine.
« Reply #100 on: June 27, 2013, 10:11:00 AM »
Quote from: AnneGuedes on June 26, 2013, 09:45:39 PM

    No, you haven't got it right, Benice.  Why are you pretending Inspector Amaral said Mr Mcann buried Madeleine on the beach ?


I'm not pretending anything Anne, this is what Amaral said in his interview when asked for his opinion.

A - To me, Gerry hid Madeleine's body on the beach. And after a few days he moved her with his car.
You're not being honest, Benice, Inspector Amaral never made the ridiculous suggestion that Mr McCann buried a corpse on the beach. He suggested he hid. It could have been under a small boat, among the rocks, in a hole, there are many places actually that could have served for some hours (I don't believe Mr McCann did that).

AnneGuedes

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Re: Re: The Amaral theory of what happened to Madeleine.
« Reply #101 on: June 27, 2013, 10:15:33 AM »
I just cant see the reason why Gerry on discovering his daughter deceased would quickly act like this ............ ???
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stephen25000

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« Reply #102 on: June 27, 2013, 10:37:28 AM »
Quote from: AnneGuedes on June 26, 2013, 09:45:39 PM

    No, you haven't got it right, Benice.  Why are you pretending Inspector Amaral said Mr Mcann buried Madeleine on the beach ?

You're not being honest, Benice, Inspector Amaral never made the ridiculous suggestion that Mr McCann buried a corpse on the beach. He suggested he hid. It could have been under a small boat, among the rocks, in a hole, there are many places actually that could have served for some hours (I don't believe Mr McCann did that).

I asked for proof of this statement yesterday, and as far as I can see, none was forthcoming.

I wonder why.

Offline faithlilly

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« Reply #103 on: June 27, 2013, 11:26:05 AM »
But Aoife saw him as he was walking in her direction after crossing 25 de Abril and she was about to cross herself the other way round. If she had turned her head, she likely would have seen where he was heading.

Aofie at the top of the stairs looked to her left and saw the carrier on 25 de Abril which means he was veering to his right, somewhere near Luzdoc.
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Offline sadie

Re: Re: The Amaral theory of what happened to Madeleine.
« Reply #104 on: June 27, 2013, 01:15:41 PM »
Aofie at the top of the stairs looked to her left and saw the carrier on 25 de Abril which means he was veering to his right, somewhere near Luzdoc.

You are quite wrong Faith

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARTIN_SMITH.htm#p6p1611

1611 to 1614 Witness testimony of Aoife Smith taken 2007/05/26
6-Processos, Volume VI, pgs. 1611 to 1614


/SNIP/
— Upon leaving the bar, they turned right and headed along the road for 40/50 metres. At this point, they again turned to the right and ascended a small street with stairs that give access to Rua 25 de Abril. As they were a large group (four adults and five children) they travelled apart from each other along the street with some more to the front and the others more behind. She does not remember how they were divided [who was where].

— The deponent remembers that upon reaching the top of the stairs, she looked to her left and saw a man (1) with a female child (2) in his arms, walking along the pavement of Rua 25 de Abril. He was walking in her direction at a distance of, give or take, two metres /SNIP/


The steps she came up are almost opposite the street, Rua D'Escola, that Bundleman came down.  It is a doglegged junction.
THe photograph shown is the way that Aofie walked up the steps.  She was walking in a northerly direction.  As you can clearly see the road that Bundleman came down is doglegged and you cant even see the western half of that street where Bundleman came down, so for Aofie to see him. he had to turn right (towards the east and the Church


Bundleman came down, reportedly in the middle of f Rua D'Escola.  He turned onto the pavement of Rua 25 Abril and walked only about 2 metres in front of Aoife.  This means that he had turned left and was at that moment walking in an easterly direction towards the Church and Malinkas home.  Look at the photo and you will see what I mean, about bundleman having to turn left to be near Aoife.  Had he turned right in a westerly direction, as you believe Faith, he would never have been anywhere near Aoife

The easterly direction is the most likely way he carried on, but it is possible that he might have swung a little to the right afterpassing Aofie and gone down the very steps that Aofie and the Smiths came up.  There were other members of the party behind Aofie, so I would have expected them to have noticed him.  Seems they didn't.  Therefore he almost certainly went East towards the Church and Malinkas


Most unlikely that he would have changed his direction altogether and gone west, cos had any one of that party looked back, they would have seen him do that.

Sorry Faith, but I think your theory about him going west to an empty house is a goner, especially if you are intimating that bundleman was Gerry ... cos if it was Gerry, he hadn't got a second to waste .... Had he?


Another myth hits the dust!



Additionally, from various witnesses we know that there was no sweaty Gerry, or ruffled Gerry at the table, and that he was there, at the table, all the pertinent time