So what are the various scenarios available to us?

[Lace]

I said at the time of the Smith sighting, not at the time of the alert.

The Smiths sighting was at roughly the same time as the alert from Kate McCann.

[faithlilly]

The Smiths sighting was at roughly the same time as the alert from Kate McCann.

Not true and when you are talking of such short distances every minute can make a difference.

[faithlilly]

Did he say Gerry was also missing at the same time?

He didn't say he wasn't 

[DCI]

He didn't say he wasn't 

Or that he was 

[DCI]

At around 10pm, Kate, Madeleine's mother, went to her apartment to check on her children. She came back totally shocked, shouting, saying that Madeleine was no longer in her bedroom. (MO's first statement)
(Matthew O) clarifies that that news (the disappearance) had been communicated to all the friends who were in the Tapas by KM subsequent to her having personally been to her flat to check that her children were well.
The question asked, he relates that she had gone there alone to do that at 21:50.

Where does he say this "he relates that she had gone there alone to do that at 21:50".

You seem to have different files?

[Redblossom]

Where does he say this "he relates that she had gone there alone to do that at 21:50".

You seem to have different files?

Different files?

Its in Oldfields second statement 11 May, page 915
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MATTHEW-OLDFIELD-10MAY.htm


Timelines (tapas group as well as other witnesses)  are a dogs dinner, must have been a nightmare for SY to *forensically* analyse them

That time would make sense though in so far as it will have been around half an hour after Gerrys return from previous check but make not the same sense going just 10 minutes after Oldfields return from 9.30 check, considering they said they checked every half hour

[DCI]

Different files?

Its in Oldfields second statement 11 May, page 915
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MATTHEW-OLDFIELD-10MAY.htm


Timelines (tapas group as well as other witnesses)  are a dogs dinner, must have been a nightmare for SY to *forensically* analyse them

That time would make sense though in so far as it will have been around half an hour after Gerrys return from previous check but make not the same sense going just 10 minutes after Oldfields return from 9.30 check, considering they said they checked every half hour

Anne said first statement

At around 10pm, Kate, Madeleine's mother, went to her apartment to check on her children. She came back totally shocked, shouting, saying that Madeleine was no longer in her bedroom. (MO's first statement)
(Matthew O) clarifies that that news (the disappearance) had been communicated to all the friends who were in the Tapas by KM subsequent to her having personally been to her flat to check that her children were well.
The question asked, he relates that she had gone there alone to do that at 21:50.

[Redblossom]

DCI the first sentence in Annes post (first two lines) refers to the first statement. the rest of the post refers to the second statement, Anne obviously just forgot to add *from MO's second statement* at the end of her post,thats all,but at least you have your answer where the 21.50 came from now, she obviously didnt make it up so a quick copy and paste into google would have brought up the info

Edited

[AnneGuedes]

Where does he say this "he relates that she had gone there alone to do that at 21:50".

You seem to have different files?

How could I ? 2nd statement.
Sorry, Redblossom, I hadn't read your post !
Actually I intended to show that accuracy in time is impossible to establish. Little details like the quantity of steak eaten by Mr O'Brian could help.

[DCI]

DCI the first sentence in Annes post (first two lines) refers to the first statement. the rest of the post refers to the second statement, Anne obviously just forgot to add *from MO's second statement* at the end of her post,thats all,but at least you have your answer where the 21.50 came from now

Thanks Red.

He also say's or the translator said.

By the way, he clarifies that that news had been communicated to all the friends who were in the Tapas by KM subsequent to her having personally been to her flat to check that her children were well.

Noticing the disappearance KM returned in panic to the restaurant where the deponent was in order to tell her husband, GM.

So at 21.50 Gerry was in the Tapas bar? As he was when Kate raised the alarm?!
That makes Smith sighting even less plausible, don't you think?

Note from Albym

[M Oldfield's  Statement 10th May Again, there were several omissions from, and errors in, the original Portuguese. I corrected those that I found. Also, much of the Portuguese statement is written with a convoluted 'future + past' verb construct that attributes an 'uncertainty' to the words, whereas I have translated much of it in a non-literal manner to make it read more definitively. Hence, the reader must understand that neither the Portuguese nor my translation necessarily constitute the exact words spoken by Oldfield.
If you read MO's Rogatory Letter testimony you will get a sense of the difficulty the Portuguese interpreter faced when listening to this man.]

[Redblossom]

No problem Anne

DCI Ive never been convinced Gerry Mccann was the Smithman, as there isnt really any evidence he was or could have been, probably as highly unlikely as Tannerman being Smithman and/or being Cooperman

Generally in this case there have been too many phoney *suspects*  in this case, its completely unprecedented. No wonder the PJ were flummoxed with the various showers of shit that hit them for months and months.

Eta, you said:

If you read MO's Rogatory Letter testimony you will get a sense of the difficulty the Portuguese interpreter faced when listening to this man.]


Well, after reading all their rogatory interviews, I think the majority of people would have difficulty listening to or understanding them! And thats in their own language

 

[faithlilly]

Thanks Red.

He also say's or the translator said.

By the way, he clarifies that that news had been communicated to all the friends who were in the Tapas by KM subsequent to her having personally been to her flat to check that her children were well.

Noticing the disappearance KM returned in panic to the restaurant where the deponent was in order to tell her husband, GM.

So at 21.50 Gerry was in the Tapas bar? As he was when Kate raised the alarm?!
That makes Smith sighting even less plausible, don't you think?

Note from Albym

[M Oldfield's  Statement 10th May Again, there were several omissions from, and errors in, the original Portuguese. I corrected those that I found. Also, much of the Portuguese statement is written with a convoluted 'future + past' verb construct that attributes an 'uncertainty' to the words, whereas I have translated much of it in a non-literal manner to make it read more definitively. Hence, the reader must understand that neither the Portuguese nor my translation necessarily constitute the exact words spoken by Oldfield.
If you read MO's Rogatory Letter testimony you will get a sense of the difficulty the Portuguese interpreter faced when listening to this man.]

Gerry was in the tapas bar at 21.50. Where does anyone categorically say that ?

[DCI]

Gerry was in the tapas bar at 21.50. Where does anyone categorically say that ?

In the files! Red posted above!

[Redblossom]

Gerry was in the tapas bar at 21.50. Where does anyone categorically say that ?

Technically nothing but I dont see GM dashing around with even half hour windows walking his dead child theough the streets to hide her and sprinting back, he aint that dumb, IF he did anything it would havebeen much smarter

[faithlilly]

Technically nothing but I dont see GM dashing around with even half hour windows walking his dead child theough the streets to hide her and sprinting back, he aint that dumb, IF he did anything it would havebeen much smarter

I agree, if he had time to plan. If Gerry was the man Martin Smith saw then his actions must have been borne of panic and not logical thought. 

I'm not categorically saying that Gerry was the carrier the Smiths saw, I'm saying, within the timeline presented, it is a possibility.