Could an intruder have opened the shutter and climbed in the window?

[Brietta]

That's what Barclay said, blame him.

He's right though, the window was opened from the inside & nobody climbed out of it.

Barclay probably made a mistake because he mouthed off without knowing what he was talking about because he had failed to do the proper research.

The lichen myth has been debunked for many years ... you are the person who posted it as if it had not.

[Wonderfulspam]

Barclay probably made a mistake because he mouthed off without knowing what he was talking about because he had failed to do the proper research.

The lichen myth has been debunked for many years ... you are the person who posted it as if it had not.

Lol, don't like him do you.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/mccanns-evidence-doesnt-add-up-514328

Can't imagine why.

[Alfred R Jones]

You know things are getting desperate when the lichen myth gets trotted out. 

[stephen25000]

You know things are getting desperate when the lichen myth gets trotted out.

As with the repeated mantra of abduction 'as fact' ?

[Lace]

The window could have been opened in case the abductor needed to escape if someone came into the room and blocked the door.

[Brietta]

Lol, don't like him do you.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/mccanns-evidence-doesnt-add-up-514328

Can't imagine why.

I have watched that excellent video a number of times and these four guys made quite a few pertinent points considering the information available to them at the time. 

I have often wondered how outraged would they have been if they had had the access to the information in files which was not available to the general public till the following year.

Dialogue from the DISPATCHES programme The Search for Madeleine at 45:00

Professor Dave Barclay forensic scientist

“We really need to wait until we get the actual results.

I’ve seen comments that the FSS have said this or that – I worked for them for twenty odd years, I never knew any forensic scientist to give details of case results in a live case.

So I think – I hate to say this – possibly quite a lot of it has been made up by the media.”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=InJLmyakzeE

... and as we all know, sources 'close to the investigation' were working like mad on the disinformation agenda.

[Jean-Pierre]

I have watched that excellent video a number of times and these four guys made quite a few pertinent points considering the information available to them at the time. 

I have often wondered how outraged would they have been if they had had the access to the information in files which was not available to the general public till the following year.

Dialogue from the DISPATCHES programme The Search for Madeleine at 45:00

Professor Dave Barclay forensic scientist

“We really need to wait until we get the actual results.

I’ve seen comments that the FSS have said this or that – I worked for them for twenty odd years, I never knew any forensic scientist to give details of case results in a live case.

So I think – I hate to say this – possibly quite a lot of it has been made up by the media.”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=InJLmyakzeE

... and as we all know, sources 'close to the investigation' were working like mad on the disinformation agenda.

And still being swallowed hook, line and sinker in certain quarters......  &%+((£

 

[Brietta]

As former Detective Chief Superintendant Chris Stevenson told Dispatches at 11:20

"You can't rule out this was a chance abduction ...

You can't rule out the possibility that somebody had targetted her having watched what happened on previous nights and set in place a plan to remove that child for whatever reason."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=InJLmyakzeE

 

[pathfinder73]

The window could have been opened in case the abductor needed to escape if someone came into the room and blocked the door.

It would take 10 seconds to go through the door grab Madeleine and take her back out. Skinny man had to get through the window but first get to it and raise noisy shutters with kids in the room. The village idiot would not do that when the front door is next to the bedroom door. Wasting time is not an option with regular checks going on! In and out quickly job done. 9pm Matt get back from check. Gerry leaves. 9:10 Jane leaves 9:25 Matt/Russ leaves etc. An abductor was doing what? Opening windows and shutters and making himself at home 

"I remember going into Kate and Gerry's err bedroom with Gerry and he'd perhaps you know fling a cupboard open and just have a look and, ah you know and just shut the door and you know in a vein, desperate hope that she might have been err you know in, in the wardrobe or something, and then he, you know flung him, flung himself on the floor and just you know kicking the floor and just with, you know, she's gone, she's gone!" (DP)

[Benice]

It would take 10 seconds to go through the door grab Madeleine and take her back out. Skinny man had to get through the window but first get to it and raise noisy shutters with kids in the room. The village idiot would not do that when the front door is next to the bedroom door. Wasting time is not an option with regular checks going on! In and out quickly job done. 9pm Matt get back from check. Gerry leaves. 9:10 Jane leaves 9:25 Matt/Russ leaves etc. An abductor was doing what? Opening windows and shutters and making himself at home 

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The problem with going out via the front door was that you couldn't check to see whether the carpark was clear to go across by just peeping out of the door as it was so deeply recessed.   So you would be going out 'blind' and by the time you did have a view of the whole car park, anyone crossing  would also have a view of you - carrying a child.      Also once an intruder was in the bedroom he would no longer have any idea whether anyone was heading back from the restaurant either to 5A or to another apartment.

We don't know what the intruders intentions were or how long he intended to stay or whether he was going to administer drugs.

IMO there are several reasons for opening the shutters/window.

1. As an extra escape route from the apartment which would avoid confrontation with anyone who  may have returned and was coming in via the patio doors.

2. As a means of checking  to see if the car park was clear before going out via the front door and to be able to better hear any noises coming from the car park.

3. As an attempt to hide the fact that the intruder had a key.

If the intruder was a man acting on his own, then I can see how any of the above would be seen as advantageous by him.

[pathfinder73]

The problem with going out via the front door was that you couldn't check to see whether the carpark was clear to go across by just peeping out of the door as it was so deeply recessed.   So you would be going out 'blind' and by the time you did have a view of the whole car park, anyone crossing  would also have a view of you - carrying a child.      Also once an intruder was in the bedroom he would no longer have any idea whether anyone was heading back from the restaurant either to 5A or to another apartment.

We don't know what the intruders intentions were or how long he intended to stay or whether he was going to administer drugs.

IMO there are several reasons for opening the shutters/window.

1. As an extra escape route from the apartment which would avoid confrontation with anyone who  may have returned and was coming in via the patio doors.

2. As a means of checking  to see if the car park was clear before going out via the front door and to be able to better hear any noises coming from the car park.

3. As an attempt to hide the fact that the intruder had a key.

If the intruder was a man acting on his own, then I can see how any of the above would be seen as advantageous by him.

He opened the window with a child in his arms and somebody was in the car park looking at him thinking what's this dumbass upto

[Benice]

He opened the window with a child in his arms and somebody was in the car park looking at him thinking what's this dumbass upto

No - he would leave her in her bed whilst he checked the carpark.   No need to take her with him to the window to do that.  Then if he could see that all was clear -  pick her up and quickly leave by the front door.

[pathfinder73]

No - he would leave her in her bed whilst he checked the carpark.   No need to take her with him to the window to do that.  Then if he could see that all was clear -  pick her up and quickly leave by the front door.

That wouldn't happen in a million years.

[Miss Taken Identity]

I thought the story was-let's all try and sing from the same hymn sheet here.

 I thought it was a paedo gang  or gypsies ( dead people) and did someone not have  a key and was there not an unlocked door...Oh Bother it's too complicated. Sounds a bit like the Flintstones at the end with the cat getting kicked out the door to go back in through the window...

quote "I remember going into Kate and Gerry's err bedroom with Gerry and he'd perhaps you know fling a cupboard open and just have a look and, ah you know and just shut the door and you know in a vein, desperate hope that she might have been err you know in, in the wardrobe or something "unquote

Yes, maybe Maddie was hiding with her mums working clothes which had cadaver odour in  the wardrobe before she was 'abducted'.... just a thought.

[Benice]

That wouldn't happen in a million years.

Why not?  Surely an abductor would want to be as certain as possible that he wasn't going to bump into people when he left 5A.