Could an intruder have opened the shutter and climbed in the window?

[VIXTE]

Shutters didn't seem that loud to me, though he obviously pushed them up as quickly as possible.  Would have been interesting to see if he'd pushed them up more gently how much noise they would have made then.

They are loud. I used to have these in my home for 10 years when I was a child but if everyone in the building has them you kind of after a while don't notice that kind of noise.
For the twins this would not be the sound they were used to like the local residents probably did. It all depend what kind of sleepers they are. One of my sisters wakes up if a fly is in the room, the other would sleep during an earthquake.

[Eleanor]

Someone broke into the self same shutters in a house just down the road from me, and no one heard a thing.

[pathfinder73]

None of this explains how Madeleine disappeared. If a burglar opened the window/shutters he did not enter that way. If they were opened from the outside then he didn't have a key. So some are saying the shutters woke the child up. I don't think Madeleine chased after the burglar going out the front door. If the shutters woke the child she would probably start screaming or would possibly go and hide behind the sofa. It doesn't explain how the burglar got inside 5A. With no key the only possible entry was the other patio side. So after opening the window/shutters he would have to go all the way round to the other side to enter and kill/take the child hiding behind the sofa. Why would he do that? None of that makes sense whichever way you look at it. It is definitely not a professional operation with Smithman running away on foot. Nobody passed through the window so to open it in connection with abducting a child makes no sense at all. If you were watching you would know the patio door was unlocked and that's how you would gain entry and you would exit via hidden front door but you would not touch the window/shutters.

[Martina]

No one is ASKING you to believe the scenario you describe - it is simply one possibility that the Met have considered.

You have no idea what scenarios MET did consider, or not.

[jassi]

None of this explains how Madeleine disappeared. If a burglar opened the window/shutters he did not enter that way. If they were opened from the outside then he didn't have a key. So some are saying the shutters woke the child up. I don't think Madeleine chased after the burglar going out the front door. If the shutters woke the child she would probably start screaming or would possibly go and hide behind the sofa. It doesn't explain how the burglar got inside 5A. With no key the only possible entry was the other patio side. So after opening the window/shutters he would have to go all the way round to the other side to enter and kill/take the child hiding behind the sofa. Why would he do that? None of that makes sense whichever way you look at it. It is definitely not a professional operation with Smithman running away on foot. Nobody passed through the window so to open it in connection with abducting a child makes no sense at all. If you were watching you would know the patio door was unlocked and that's how you would gain entry and you would exit via hidden front door but you would not touch the window/shutters.

You might also exit via the patio doors. If you hadn't been seen going in, chances are that you could also exit that way unseen.

[pegasus]

Someone broke into the self same shutters in a house just down the road from me, and no one heard a thing.

In the house down the road from you there was no child asleep in the room where the burglar opened the shutter.
If there had been, the noise would have woken the child.

[Eleanor]

In the house down the road from you there was no child asleep in the room where the burglar opened the shutter.
If there had been, the noise would have woken the child.

How do you know that?

[Alfred R Jones]

You have no idea what scenarios MET did consider, or not.

Are you telling me then that this is NOT a scenario considered by the Met, despite what they have stated publicly?

[pegasus]

Shutters didn't seem that loud to me, though he obviously pushed them up as quickly as possible.  Would have been interesting to see if he'd pushed them up more gently how much noise they would have made then.

But PeterMac video does only stage one - which makes very little noise in room because window is still closed.

Stage one: lift shutter a few inches = low noise inside room.
Stage two: reach under shutter to slide window open = low noise inside room.
Stage three: reach in and operate strap to raise shutter fully = very noisy in room.

Suggest you watch and listen to the 3-stage opening method in Heriberto's video - he does all 3 stages - and it is stage 3 that is very noisy inside the room.

[Alfred R Jones]

But PeterMac video does only stage one - which makes very little noise in room because window is still closed.

Stage one: lift shutter a few inches = low noise inside room.
Stage two: reach under shutter to slide window open = low noise inside room.
Stage three: reach in and operate strap to raise shutter fully = very noisy in room.

Suggest you watch and listen to the 3-stage opening method in Heriberto's video - he does all 3 stages - and it is stage 3 that is very noisy inside the room.

In Petermac's video of the Apartment 5a shutters there are no 3 steps - it's just push 'em up and that's it - shutters open.  If the windows were closed when the shutters were pushed up, then not much noise inside the room, right?

[Martina]

In Petermac's video of the Apartment 5a shutters there are no 3 steps - it's just push 'em up and that's it - shutters open.  If the windows were closed when the shutters were pushed up, then not much noise inside the room, right?

And how do you manage to push these shutters up in one step, usting a lot of force (Dianne Webster was not able to lift them from the outside, remember?), without leaving any traces of it on them?

[pathfinder73]

And how do you manage to push these shutters up in one step, usting a lot of force (Dianne Webster was not able to lift them from the outside, remember?), without leaving any traces of it on them?

Yes they like to ignore the experts.

"They also tested the thumb prints, that showed up under the red dust of the forensic fingerprint powder, and proved the prints came from somebody moving the shutter from inside the apartment.

Again, Prof Dave Barclay said: "We must be very careful that we're not saying this is actually staging but it's difficult to see how anybody could have interfered with those shutters, from outside, without leaving some trace. In fact, having looked at them, I think it's almost impossible."

[Alfred R Jones]

And how do you manage to push these shutters up in one step, usting a lot of force (Dianne Webster was not able to lift them from the outside, remember?), without leaving any traces of it on them?

Gloves?

[pathfinder73]

Gloves?

No glove marks were found according to Amaral.

[pathfinder73]

6:50 onwards