If the abductor opened the apartment 5a door, why did he close it?

[AnneGuedes]

Mr McCann certainly tampered the best evidence ever of an abduction. The issue is was he aware of that or not.

[sadie]

Would it matter one way or the other?

By Amaral and co
There has been such very pointed ignoring of the front door as the way in ... when it is the most obvious way in using a key
There has been so much pointing to the window as the entrance and exit .... when it is obvious that no-one went in or out that way

That it has raised my antennae.



It seems a double red herring. 
To make it look as tho the window was used
.... then via Pat Browns shenanaigans and nonsense prove that no abductor could have sensibly done it that way ... .cos (trees cut down) it was thoroughly overlooked and (new searchlight fitted) too well lit 

Therefore via fase means "prove" that kate and Gerry dunit and were trying to put the blame on someone else?


Too much time, effort and money were spent getting the "illustrious"  Pat Brown to push Amarals / her phoney theory.  The very spending of all that time, money and effort is VERY suspicious.  As is the way that Amaral and Tony Bennett were feteing her.and publicizing her "fame" 


And someone took that brilliant photo of 5A for her.  It wasn't by Pat Brown.  Her photos are quite ordinary and inferior.


So were the trees chopped down, the searchlight fitted and the photograph taken even before Pat arrived?. 


All this in an effort to discredit the hypothesis that Bundleman could have used the window?   Amaral had already discounted the front door and virtually removed it from the equation by never referring to it in any way as a possibility.



Imo, originally the plan was for bundleman / the lifter to use the front door and close it afterwards, but leave the window open to give the impression that Madeleine had wandered ... or the Mccanns had done it ... a theory that, it seems, Amaral was pushing.

Later with the advent of people analysing that and pointing out its weaknesses? ... also with Bennett and Amarals libellous goings on about Madeleine dying in the apartment? ... and both facing libel charges? ...  was the emphasis changed to trying to prove that no abductor would have gone in that way cos it was too overlooked? 

Hence trees cut down, searchlight fitted and a professional photo taken?   The place was set up and Pat Brown was bought in?   To save their skins?

I wonder who paid for her flights?



Could this whole Pat Brown fiasco be about Amaral and Bennett trying to save their skins?  I prefer that thought to the alternative.

The alternative being that someone was being covered for by .............?





All the above is only my ponderings and thoughts.  I realse I could be wrong.   

But if I am , what the hell was Pat Brown doing there and why were those beautiful trees cut down and a new vulgar search light fitted?

[sadie]

Mr McCann certainly tampered the best evidence ever of an abduction. The issue is was he aware of that or not.

"Tampered with evidence" is not the phrase rational people would use for a father looking and trying desperately to find his missing daughter

I am sorry, Anne, it is the language of the bigot

Of course, I had forgotten.  Seems that you are not a mother, so possibly could not understand the desperation and despair of a father whose daughter has been taken

[AnneGuedes]

The essential is always threatened by the insignificant (René Char)

[Eleanor]

The essential is always threatened by the insignificant (René Char)

Oh, do give over.

[sadie]

The essential is always threatened by the insignificant (René Char)

Once you are off your pretentious high horse

 .... Tell us what the essential is .... and who the insignificant are .... in your opinion

[Benice]

"Tampered with evidence" is not the phrase rational people would use for a father looking and trying desperately to find his missing daughter

I am sorry, Anne, it is the language of the bigot

Totally agree Sadie.   No father who had just discovered his little daughter had disappeared would have the words 'evidence' or 'crime scene' even entering his head in those first few panic stricken moments.   He would be too shocked to think straight.    I'm amazed at the number of sceptics who think he should have coolly and calmly assessed the situation and behaved like a policeman instead of a distraught parent.   They must be devoid of any understanding of how normal people would react to such horror.

[sadie]

Good heavens.  That I should ever choose to be so, erm, honest?

 

I think you are rather like me Eleanor.

honesty over pretention and dignity every time

[Rachel Granada]

The essential is always threatened by the insignificant (René Char)

Taumatawhakatangihangakoayauo-
Tamateaturipukakapikimaungahoro-
Nukypokaiwhenuakitanatahu

(Quantum Jump)

[sadie]

By Amaral and co
There has been such very pointed ignoring of the front door as the way in ... when it is the most obvious way in using a key
There has been so much pointing to the window as the entrance and exit .... when it is obvious that no-one went in or out that way

That it has raised my antennae.



It seems a double red herring. 
To make it look as tho the window was used
.... then via Pat Browns shenanaigans and nonsense prove that no abductor could have sensibly done it that way ... .cos (trees cut down) it was thoroughly overlooked and (new searchlight fitted) too well lit 

Therefore via fase means "prove" that kate and Gerry dunit and were trying to put the blame on someone else?


Too much time, effort and money were spent getting the "illustrious"  Pat Brown to push Amarals / her phoney theory.  The very spending of all that time, money and effort is VERY suspicious.  As is the way that Amaral and Tony Bennett were feteing her.and publicizing her "fame" 


And someone took that brilliant photo of 5A for her.  It wasn't by Pat Brown.  Her photos are quite ordinary and inferior.


So were the trees chopped down, the searchlight fitted and the photograph taken even before Pat arrived?. 


All this in an effort to discredit the hypothesis that Bundleman could have used the window?   Amaral had already discounted the front door and virtually removed it from the equation by never referring to it in any way as a possibility.



Imo, originally the plan was for bundleman / the lifter to use the front door and close it afterwards, but leave the window open to give the impression that Madeleine had wandered ... or the Mccanns had done it ... a theory that, it seems, Amaral was pushing.

Later with the advent of people analysing that and pointing out its weaknesses? ... also with Bennett and Amarals libellous goings on about Madeleine dying in the apartment? ... and both facing libel charges? ...  was the emphasis changed to trying to prove that no abductor would have gone in that way cos it was too overlooked? 

Hence trees cut down, searchlight fitted and a professional photo taken?   The place was set up and Pat Brown was bought in?   To save their skins?

I wonder who paid for her flights?



Could this whole Pat Brown fiasco be about Amaral and Bennett trying to save their skins?  I prefer that thought to the alternative.

The alternative being that someone was being covered for by .............?





All the above is only my ponderings and thoughts.  I realse I could be wrong.   

But if I am , what the hell was Pat Brown doing there and why were those beautiful trees cut down and a new vulgar search light fitted?

Quote from: AnneGuedes on July 03, 2013, 10:38:41 PM

Mr McCann certainly tampered the best evidence ever of an abduction.

What Pat Brown did was tampering with the evidence.  Trying to change the situation as to whether the window was seriously overlooked or virtually hiddden.

The question is  "Did she know what she was doing".  Was she part of the arrangement, right from the beginning knowing that the trees had been deliberately cut down and a searchlight fitted to try and change the evidence to get Bennett and Amaral off the hook?   

Or .... Was she set up? 

I rather fancy she knew all along, but am willing to be proven wrong.

[John]

If the abductor opened the 5a apartment door, why did he close it?

 Could you add a little more meat to the bones of this question please Heri.   Are you suggesting that the abductor entered by the window and simply left by the front door?

Does anyone else think that the open window was a red herring intended solely to put investigators off the scent?

[Redblossom]

what a bloody load of  utter nonsense, what parent would, instead of prioritising a search, would go and find out if and why and how  a potential abductor,could have entered or left the apartment, I know, he was proactive, doing the polices work for them before he even called them! pffft
 8-)(--)

and yes, tampering with potential evidence. WHY would GM have the NEED to find out thisinformation for himself so early on? What did it matter how someone got in? I mean, as if the open patio door wasnt opportunity enough!

[John]

what a bloody load of  utter nonsense, what parent would, instead of prioritising a search, would go and find out if and why and how  a potential abductor,could have entered or left the apartment, I know, he was proactive, doing the polices work for them before he even called them! pffft
 8-)(--)

and yes, tampering with potential evidence. WHY would GM have the NEED to find out this information for himself so early on? What did it matter how someone got in? I mean, as if the open patio door wasn't opportunity enough!

I have some sympathy with that view Redblossom.  Why indeed spend crucial minutes foutering with a shutter when it was obvious that his daughter had been abducted?

[Redblossom]

Yes John, I will be interested to see the apologists explanations for that crucial piece of vital work he and others were doing and how it would have helped find Madeleine, tomorrow



 

Off now

[Jazzy]

Yes John, I will be interested to see the apologists explanations for that crucial piece of vital work he and others were doing and how it would have helped find Madeleine, tomorrow



 

Off now

Why would anyone need to explain it? Were the Portugese police aware of it? They didn't use it to arrest him for the murder of his child? Must be "irrelevant" then.