If the abductor opened the apartment 5a door, why did he close it?

[Redblossom]

Gerry knew that Faith, but he had no way of knowing whether the abductor did.         All he knew at that moment was that the window was open and his daughter was gone.   His only thought imo, (as with Kate), would be that someone had got in through that window and abducted her.      At that early stage he would not be considering alternatives, - that came later - when they were told there was no evidence that a break in had occurred via the window and when they began to think it was not an opportunist crime, but a pre-planned one.

No of course neither considered alternatives to *abduction*, such as asking jane tanner if she had heard crying and had taken madeleine to her flat to comfort her, and of course the *obvious* alternative, that the door *they* left open was the entry point

[Benice]

No of course neither considered alternatives to *abduction*, such as asking jane tanner if she had heard crying and had taken madeleine to her flat to comfort her, and of course the *obvious* alternative, that the door *they* left open was the entry point

They did later consider that the patio door could have been the entry point, also the front door, but in the first minutes after her abduction they thought that because the window was open - that was how the perpetrator had got in - which is what any normal person would think IMO.

Sorry but I have no idea what you are talking about re Jane Tanner. 

[Redblossom]

They did later consider that the patio door could have been the entry point, also the front door, but in the first minutes after her abduction they thought that because the window was open - that was how the perpetrator had got in - which is what any normal person would think IMO.

Sorry but I have no idea what you are talking about re Jane Tanner.

kate mccnn knew tanner was in her flat at the time, she may have heard madeleine crying and upset and taken her to her own place to comfort her, she couldnt leave her own kids alone, the window may have been opened by her for x y z reasons, normally people thnk of  a  likely reason to be investigated rather than jumping to the extreme conclusion she was abducted, and having decided that, or still wondering, doesnt run to her neighbour friend or anyone else for help or shout out, after all was very quiet and anyone would have heard her and came,   but LEAVES her other two kids on their own withthe window open and runs to the restaurant, as if she KNEW there was no possibility anyabductor/s were still crawling around/hiding, ready to take the rest of them,come on!

She also left her three toddlers on their own with an  open patio door any of them could have opened and gone out of when she said she had her shower that evening and fall to their deaths! over the stair gate or the balcony,just remembered that bit. So much for never taking a risk! Pah

[AnneGuedes]

She also left her three toddlers on their own with an  open patio door any of them could have opened and gone out of when she said she had her shower that evening and fall to their deaths! over the stair gate or the balcony,just remembered that bit. So much for never taking a risk! Pah

Yes, and we know through Mr Payne (who doesn't remember what Mrs McCann had on) that the patio door was open.

[Redblossom]

Yes, and we know through Mr Payne (who doesn't remember what Mrs McCann had on) that the patio door was open.

Yup and mrs mccann in her book  who said he popped his head through the patio doors as she went to answer the call, ooops that one slipped right by her




Ps of course he didnt remember that a half naked woman in a towel answered the door, anne youhave a dirty mind, shame on you
 



oh btw she said he was there for seconds outside, he said he went inside for three to five minutes having a conversation and observing the angel looking happy kids even if heir dad wasnt there, odd

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[AnneGuedes]

Ps of course he didnt remember that a half naked woman in a towel answered the door, anne youhave a dirty mind, shame on you
 

Shame on Mr Payne not to remember a beautiful woman getting out of a shower !

[Redblossom]

Shame on Mr Payne not to remember a beautiful woman getting out of a shower !

No comment!

[Benice]

I could agree with you wholeheartedly if it weren't for the fact that a long row of beautiful trees were cut down and a mighty vulgar searchlight fitted where there had been no light fitted before.  Light wasn't there when I visited.  Trees were very  beautiful when I visited, yet all cleared out ... for Pat Brown?


To falsely "prove" prove Amarals libellous theory and Bennetts libel too?


Then the professional quality photograph. 


Jeez it stinks




Several pointers ... altho, I accept I could be wrong

Sadie I really don't think the trees being cut down and the improved lighting had anything to do with Pat Brown, but was a decision taken by MW once it had been drawn to their attention that those trees and the lack of adequate lighting made apartment 5A very attractive to anyone who wanted to break in.   It was because of Pat Brown's lack of research that she had no idea evem that these improvements had been made - and consequently made such a fool of herself.

[AnneGuedes]

It was because of Pat Brown's lack of research that she had no idea evem that these improvements had been made - and consequently made such a fool of herself.

This "improvement" is pure slaughter. Do you know, Benice, which kind of trees were there ?

[Benice]

kate mccnn knew tanner was in her flat at the time, she may have heard madeleine crying and upset and taken her to her own place to comfort her, she couldnt leave her own kids alone, the window may have been opened by her for x y z reasons, normally people thnk of  a  likely reason to be investigated rather than jumping to the extreme conclusion she was abducted, and having decided that, or still wondering, doesnt run to her neighbour friend or anyone else for help or shout out, after all was very quiet and anyone would have heard her and came,   but LEAVES her other two kids on their own withthe window open and runs to the restaurant, as if she KNEW there was no possibility anyabductor/s were still crawling around/hiding, ready to take the rest of them,come on!

She also left her three toddlers on their own with an  open patio door any of them could have opened and gone out of when she said she had her shower that evening and fall to their deaths! over the stair gate or the balcony,just remembered that bit. So much for never taking a risk! Pah

To begin with Red, I do not believe that JT would have removed ANY child belonging to someone else from their bed and taken them back to her apartment unless she was able to simultaneously let the parents know what she had done.

So according to you when Kate found Madeleine missing and the windows open, she should have thought that Jayne Tanner had heard Madeleine crying and had left her own apartment, walked across the carpark, rounded the corner and walked down to the side gate - and THEN instead of making a quick 20 second dash to the Restaurant to tell Kate her daughter was crying, she decided to go through the gate, up the steps, and enter the apartment.   

Then having opened the window she left the twins to the mercy of the elements for some reason, and then walked/carried Madeleine back up the road, round the corner, across the car park back to her own apartment, knowing full well that she could not let her parents know what she had done, and also knowing that one of them was shortly going to make a check and find their daughter missing and the window open, but apparently should not have been at all alarmed by that discovery - but should have realised that Madeleine was probably with Jayne.

With respect Red  - I think you might need to rethink that theory.

[AnneGuedes]

To begin with Red, I do not believe that JT would have removed ANY child belonging to someone else from their bed and taken them back to her apartment unless she was able to simultaneously let the parents know what she had done.

So according to you when Kate found Madeleine missing and the windows open, she should have thought that Jayne Tanner had heard Madeleine crying and had left her own apartment, walked across the carpark, rounded the corner and walked down to the side gate - and THEN instead of making a quick 20 second dash to the Restaurant to tell Kate her daughter was crying, she decided to go through the gate, up the steps, and enter the apartment.   

Then having opened the window she left the twins to the mercy of the elements for some reason, and then walked/carried Madeleine back up the road, round the corner, across the car park back to her own apartment, knowing full well that she could not let her parents know what she had done, and also knowing that one of them was shortly going to make a check and find their daughter missing and the window open, but apparently should not have been at all alarmed by that discovery - but should have realised that Madeleine was probably with Jayne.

With respect Red  - I think you might need to rethink that theory.

No use of all this ! Madeleine was perfectly capable to open the  main door and start running in the corridor ! Besides this is the trail the sniffer dogs followed..

[Benice]

No use of all this ! Madeleine was perfectly capable to open the  main door and start running in the corridor ! Besides this is the trail the sniffer dogs followed..

Your post has absolutely nothing to do with mine.   Do you accept Red's assertion that Kate should have thought that Madeleine was probably with Jane Tanner before thinking that she had been abducted?

[AnneGuedes]

Your post has absolutely nothing to do with mine.   Do you accept Red's assertion that Kate should have thought that Madeleine was probably with Jane Tanner before thinking that she had been abducted?

Actually I don't know. Madeleine knew where the Payne's flat was and might have know, because of the noise, where the Oldfield's flat was. But The Tanner's flat ?

[Benice]

Actually I don't know. Madeleine knew where the Payne's flat was and might have know, because of the noise, where the Oldfield's flat was. But The Tanner's flat ?

That's not what I asked you Anne.  Do you think that Jane Tanner would take Madeleine from apartment 5A and keep her in her own apartment without telling anyone?

[John]

If a parent heard crying coming from another apartment they had a responsibility to alert the parents rather than interfere with that child in any way.  If they did not know the parents or where they were all they had to do was to alert reception.

Common sense really.