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AnneGuedes

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Re: If the abductor opened the apartment 5a door, why did he close it?
« Reply #60 on: July 05, 2013, 10:13:07 AM »
That's not what I asked you Anne.  Do you think that Jane Tanner would take Madeleine from apartment 5A and keep her in her own apartment without telling anyone?
I don't think that Mrs Tanner, had she heard crying in the corridor and realized the crying came from the McCann window, would have left her children to cross the parking, turn the corner, push the gate etc., I think she would have used her cellphone.
But I think that if, by chance, Mrs Tanner, hearing cries and opening her door, had seen Madeleine in the corridor, she wouldn't have left her there, got inside and made a call, but would have first taken her inside and have comforted her before making a call on her cellphone.

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Re: If the abductor opened the apartment 5a door, why did he close it?
« Reply #61 on: July 05, 2013, 10:27:48 AM »
If a parent heard crying coming from another apartment they had a responsibility to alert the parents rather than interfere with that child in any way.  If they did not know the parents or where they were all they had to do was to alert reception.

Common sense really.

Exactly, John. Thats why I don't believe, for one minute, Mrs Fenn would sit and listen to a child crying for so long.
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« Reply #62 on: July 05, 2013, 10:53:33 AM »
Your post has absolutely nothing to do with mine.   Do you accept Red's assertion that Kate should have thought that Madeleine was probably with Jane Tanner before thinking that she had been abducted?

I think a mother would consider all non sinister scenarios in their panic, however nonsensical, before having to accept the inevitable.
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Re: If the abductor opened the apartment 5a door, why did he close it?
« Reply #63 on: July 05, 2013, 01:48:58 PM »
If the abductor opened the 5a apartment door, why did he close it?

What abductor???????????????????
So far there is no evidence that there ever was one or more...

AnneGuedes

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Re: If the abductor opened the apartment 5a door, why did he close it?
« Reply #64 on: July 05, 2013, 02:41:29 PM »
What abductor???????????????????
So far there is no evidence that there ever was one or more...
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Re: If the abductor opened the apartment 5a door, why did he close it?
« Reply #65 on: July 05, 2013, 04:42:49 PM »
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Re: If the abductor opened the apartment 5a door, why did he close it?
« Reply #66 on: July 05, 2013, 06:18:31 PM »
To begin with Red, I do not believe that JT would have removed ANY child belonging to someone else from their bed and taken them back to her apartment unless she was able to simultaneously let the parents know what she had done.

So according to you when Kate found Madeleine missing and the windows open, she should have thought that Jayne Tanner had heard Madeleine crying and had left her own apartment, walked across the carpark, rounded the corner and walked down to the side gate - and THEN instead of making a quick 20 second dash to the Restaurant to tell Kate her daughter was crying, she decided to go through the gate, up the steps, and enter the apartment.   

Then having opened the window she left the twins to the mercy of the elements for some reason, and then walked/carried Madeleine back up the road, round the corner, across the car park back to her own apartment, knowing full well that she could not let her parents know what she had done, and also knowing that one of them was shortly going to make a check and find their daughter missing and the window open, but apparently should not have been at all alarmed by that discovery - but should have realised that Madeleine was probably with Jayne.

With respect Red  - I think you might need to rethink that theory.

It wasnt a theory, or a belief, it was a random idea of what may have happened for any reason(perhaps Madeleine was cryng because it was too hot or too dark so window was opened), an idea which may have crossed KMs mind instead of *instantly knowing* she was abducted.  And btw Jane Tanner *may have done this* very near to 10pm or around 9.40 when she was on her way back, though I agree she would have called soon either way,and no, she wouldnt have had to go all around the block, it would only have taken her a minute to go out of her own patio doors, down the alley to two flats. I tend to agree  JT wouldnt have done this, but it remains a possibility.The pertinent fact remains, that KM *knew* Madeleine was snatched but *left* her other kids, bizarre at best, instead of crying out for help from where she stood, which would have been heard. Do Benice, tell me, how did she *know* her remaining kids would be safe from said abductor? To be OK leaving them? In fact dont bother.

Something else to thnk about: If the abductor struck at 9.10 or so and left the window and shutter open, and it was such a cold and windy night,why did neither Oldfield or Kate notice the cold in the room?
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Re: If the abductor opened the apartment 5a door, why did he close it?
« Reply #67 on: July 05, 2013, 07:40:19 PM »
It wasnt a theory, or a belief, it was a random idea of what may have happened for any reason(perhaps Madeleine was cryng because it was too hot or too dark so window was opened), an idea which may have crossed KMs mind instead of *instantly knowing* she was abducted.  And btw Jane Tanner *may have done this* very near to 10pm or around 9.40 when she was on her way back, though I agree she would have called soon either way,and no, she wouldnt have had to go all around the block, it would only have taken her a minute to go out of her own patio doors, down the alley to two flats. I tend to agree  JT wouldnt have done this, but it remains a possibility.The pertinent fact remains, that KM *knew* Madeleine was snatched but *left* her other kids, bizarre at best, instead of crying out for help from where she stood, which would have been heard. Do Benice, tell me, how did she *know* her remaining kids would be safe from said abductor? To be OK leaving them? In fact dont bother.

Something else to thnk about: If the abductor struck at 9.10 or so and left the window and shutter open, and it was such a cold and windy night,why did neither Oldfield or Kate notice the cold in the room?
Easy, Redblossom, as Icabodcrane noted, the "all open" of her PJ statement that alerted Mrs McCann before she realised Madeleine wasn't there changed into "all shut" in the 10th May timeline. The curtains, shut, were hiding the open window and shutters. This way Mr Oldfield didn't feel the cold and Mrs McCann herself was even about to leave thinking all was quiet when... when she noticed the bedroom's door was more open than it should.
The abductor had apparently a problem with doors : at 9h05, and though he was hiding behind, he left it open, risking Mr McCann had a look because this was abnormal ; after striking, he left it open again, luckily Mr Oldfield didn't know it shouldn't have been ; finally, as it was windy, the abductor was lucky the door stayed open for 45 minutes without a draught slamming it. If so, Mr Oldfield would have opened the door to check the kids and had discovered Madeleine was missing. By that time half an hour was left to cross the carrier rua da Escola Primaria.

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Re: If the abductor opened the apartment 5a door, why did he close it?
« Reply #68 on: July 05, 2013, 08:20:21 PM »
Indeed Anne,the devil is in the detail as they say!
And the details are telling.
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