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Offline faithlilly

Re: Is It Groundhog Day ?
« Reply #180 on: July 12, 2013, 12:46:12 PM »
Your insistence in despising Prof Harrison MBE by refusing to admit his authority on the operation is amazing.

With Grime they can insinuate that financial interest played a part in his dog's reactions, not so with Harrison
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline sadie

Re: Is It Groundhog Day ?
« Reply #181 on: July 12, 2013, 12:52:20 PM »
Quote from: Benice on Today at 11:46:50 AM

 IMO it's impossible to believe that materials which leave such odours had never been present in any of the other apartments or in any of the other cars -  within the timescales Martin Grime himself had specified. [/quote]   
Anne
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Your insistence in despising Prof Harrison MBE by refusing to admit his authority on the operation is amazing.
 

Why have you introduced Professor Harrison, Anne?
 That is just a diversionary tactic as far as I can see.  Benice is very clear.


AnneGuedes

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Re: Is It Groundhog Day ?
« Reply #182 on: July 12, 2013, 12:57:13 PM »
With Grime they can insinuate that financial interest played a part in his dog's reactions, not so with Harrison
This would be despicable if it weren't first ridiculous, as it has been said before : Mr Grime's prosperity only depends on the correct handling of his dogs in order to provide accuracy.

Offline sadie

Re: Is It Groundhog Day ?
« Reply #183 on: July 12, 2013, 01:29:45 PM »
With Grime they can insinuate that financial interest played a part in his dog's reactions, not so with Harrison

But it has already been pointed out that you are the only people who point to Harrison.

Why do you keep on?

Offline faithlilly

Re: Is It Groundhog Day ?
« Reply #184 on: July 12, 2013, 01:35:30 PM »
But it has already been pointed out that you are the only people who point to Harrison.

Why do you keep on?

The point is Harrison was present at the dog searches. If he suspected Grime of any unprofessional or misleading conduct he would have alerted the PJ or detailed it in his report.
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline sadie

Re: Is It Groundhog Day ?
« Reply #185 on: July 12, 2013, 01:41:07 PM »
The point is Harrison was present at the dog searches. If he suspected Grime of any unprofessional or misleading conduct he would have alerted the PJ or detailed it in his report.
Was he?  Where did you get thta from?

I wonder why he allowed Grime to keep calling the dog back if he was in charge.

Offline faithlilly

Re: Is It Groundhog Day ?
« Reply #186 on: July 12, 2013, 01:45:26 PM »
Was he?  Where did you get thta from?

I wonder why he allowed Grime to keep calling the dog back if he was in charge.

Perhaps because what Grime was doing was exactly what he should have been doing ?
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

ferryman

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Re: Is It Groundhog Day ?
« Reply #187 on: July 12, 2013, 03:43:13 PM »
Faith Lilly:

The point is Harrison was present at the dog searches. If he suspected Grime of any unprofessional or misleading conduct he would have alerted the PJ or detailed it in his report.



Harrison conspicuously distanced himself from those searches he, clearly, had nothing whatever to do with ...

From Mark Harrison's report:

The timeline of these searches was as follows:
 
On 31-07-07 the PJ conducted canine searches with a search warrant at apartments in Praia da Luz that had been previously occupied by the McCanns and their friends.
 
On 01-08-07 the PJ and GNR assisted by a canine, conducted searches on the eastern beach and wasteland in Praia da Luz.
 
On 02-08-07 the PJ conducted a search warrant at a villa in Praia da Luz currently occupied by the McCann family.
 
Later the same day PJ officers conducted a screening procedure involving items removed from the McCann’s villa.
 
On 03-08-07 PJ and GNR officers were given instruction based on translated extracts from NPIA doctrine on search management and procedures. This focused on search procedures relating to buildings and vehicles.
 
On 04-08-07 and 05-08-07 a search warrant was executed at the villa and gardens belonging to the PJ suspect Robert Murat. This search involved both PJ and GNR personnel supported by civil defence, geophysical equipment operators and a canine handler.
 
On 06-08-07 ten vehicles were searched associated to the enquiry.
 
On 07-08-07 the western beach and remaining wasteland areas were searched using canine and GNR personnel.
 
On 08-08-07 the drains around the apartment block where Madeleine McCann disappeared from were subject to a visual inspection by PJ officers.
 
Summary
 
The aim of the search activity was to re-search known and relevant locations in the immediate vicinity of the place Madeleine McCann was last seen using solely a search scenario that she was deceased and her body had been concealed by a third party. No human remains were located during the searches undertaken.


Conducting searches in places Madeleine never lived or went near (the villa and the gym) had sod-all with anything to with Madeleine.

Neither did inspecting a car hired 3 weeks after Madeleine's abduction.

And notice how selective Harrison is in owning UK participation in those searches.

Both inspections at villa and gym are described as PJ exercises, and Harrison gives no clue who took part in the inspection of vehicles.

Harrison owns UK participation in those searches he recommended.

That's it!
« Last Edit: July 12, 2013, 04:20:36 PM by ferryman »

AnneGuedes

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Re: Is It Groundhog Day ?
« Reply #188 on: July 12, 2013, 04:36:29 PM »
What do you think Prof Harrison MBE was doing in PDL during all this time ? Going to the beach ?

Offline sadie

Re: Is It Groundhog Day ?
« Reply #189 on: July 12, 2013, 05:01:58 PM »
What do you think Prof Harrison MBE was doing in PDL during all this time ? Going to the beach ?
I feel sure he wasn't swanking about being an MBE

Only jumped up, insecure peeps have to do that ... and he doesn't seem insecure, or jumped up, to me.


My bet is that he wouldn't like all the MBE business Anne.  My next door neighbour is one, but you would never know.  She carries it with dignity.

AnneGuedes

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Re: Is It Groundhog Day ?
« Reply #190 on: July 12, 2013, 05:11:06 PM »
My next door neighbour is one, but you would never know.  She carries it with dignity.
Speaking of a MBE, this is pleonastic.

Offline Benice

Re: Is It Groundhog Day ?
« Reply #191 on: July 12, 2013, 05:14:10 PM »
With Grime they can insinuate that financial interest played a part in his dog's reactions, not so with Harrison

Not so Faith.   Unconscious cueing is something which happens only between a handler and his dog.   No-one else is involved.
The notion that innocence prevails over guilt – when there is no evidence to the contrary – is what separates civilization from barbarism.    Unfortunately, there are remains of barbarism among us.    Until very recently, it headed the PJ in Portimão. I hope he was the last one.
                                               Henrique Monteiro, chief editor, Expresso, Portugal

Offline faithlilly

Re: Is It Groundhog Day ?
« Reply #192 on: July 12, 2013, 05:15:07 PM »
Faith Lilly:

The point is Harrison was present at the dog searches. If he suspected Grime of any unprofessional or misleading conduct he would have alerted the PJ or detailed it in his report.



Harrison conspicuously distanced himself from those searches he, clearly, had nothing whatever to do with ...

From Mark Harrison's report:

The timeline of these searches was as follows:
 
On 31-07-07 the PJ conducted canine searches with a search warrant at apartments in Praia da Luz that had been previously occupied by the McCanns and their friends.
 
On 01-08-07 the PJ and GNR assisted by a canine, conducted searches on the eastern beach and wasteland in Praia da Luz.
 
On 02-08-07 the PJ conducted a search warrant at a villa in Praia da Luz currently occupied by the McCann family.
 
Later the same day PJ officers conducted a screening procedure involving items removed from the McCann’s villa.
 
On 03-08-07 PJ and GNR officers were given instruction based on translated extracts from NPIA doctrine on search management and procedures. This focused on search procedures relating to buildings and vehicles.
 
On 04-08-07 and 05-08-07 a search warrant was executed at the villa and gardens belonging to the PJ suspect Robert Murat. This search involved both PJ and GNR personnel supported by civil defence, geophysical equipment operators and a canine handler.
 
On 06-08-07 ten vehicles were searched associated to the enquiry.
 
On 07-08-07 the western beach and remaining wasteland areas were searched using canine and GNR personnel.
 
On 08-08-07 the drains around the apartment block where Madeleine McCann disappeared from were subject to a visual inspection by PJ officers.
 
Summary
 
The aim of the search activity was to re-search known and relevant locations in the immediate vicinity of the place Madeleine McCann was last seen using solely a search scenario that she was deceased and her body had been concealed by a third party. No human remains were located during the searches undertaken.


Conducting searches in places Madeleine never lived or went near (the villa and the gym) had sod-all with anything to with Madeleine.

Neither did inspecting a car hired 3 weeks after Madeleine's abduction.

And notice how selective Harrison is in owning UK participation in those searches.

Both inspections at villa and gym are described as PJ exercises, and Harrison gives no clue who took part in the inspection of vehicles.

Harrison owns UK participation in those searches he recommended.

That's it!

1. All the inspections were described as PJ exercise, nothing telling in that.
2. Notice the word 'relevant'.

From Harrison's rogatory statement :

How did the searches evolve ?

Between the 31.07.2007 and 07.08.2007 the searches took place in Praia da Luz were under the command and supervision of the Chief Inspector Vitor MATOS of the PJ. He was personally present at the searches and at his request I accompanied him as an advisor. The searches evolved were multidisciplinary and involved the PJ, GNR, UK Police and the University of Aveiro. All the searches that occurred were documented in video by the PJ, including location, time and date stamps.
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline faithlilly

Re: Is It Groundhog Day ?
« Reply #193 on: July 12, 2013, 05:16:24 PM »
Not so Faith.   Unconscious cueing is something which happens only between a handler and his dog.   No-one else is involved.

And it hasn't been proven here.
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline Benice

Re: Is It Groundhog Day ?
« Reply #194 on: July 12, 2013, 05:18:33 PM »
And it hasn't been proven here.

That doesn't mean it couldn't have happened.  Martin Grime is human after all.
The notion that innocence prevails over guilt – when there is no evidence to the contrary – is what separates civilization from barbarism.    Unfortunately, there are remains of barbarism among us.    Until very recently, it headed the PJ in Portimão. I hope he was the last one.
                                               Henrique Monteiro, chief editor, Expresso, Portugal