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stephen25000

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Dr. Roberts latest.
« on: July 09, 2013, 07:15:00 AM »


' By Dr Martin Roberts
 08 July 2013




 NO WAY OUT


With Scotland Yard in hot pursuit of thirty-eight 'persons of interest', all of whom were in Portugal on the night of May 3, 2007, apparently, one must assume that there is some plausible connection between one or more of these individuals and the sequestration of a minor from her bed in Praia da Luz that night. In point of fact there were rather more than thirty-eight people in Portugal at the time, any one of whom might have some, as yet unrecognised connection to, or knowledge of, dark deeds in the Algarve.

But all of this rather pre-supposes that a crime of abduction was committed in the first instance. Whilst there are 'experts' walking among us, who are only too happy to write books, give media interviews etc., covering subjects for which the supposedly known photographic evidence is demonstrably fake, i.e. a hoax (e.g., the nephilim giants), it cannot be difficult to appreciate that the interrogation of thirty-eight (give or take as many as you like) over the disappearance of Madeleine McCann, can only serve a true purpose if the child was actually abducted in the first place.

Unless money is no object, the most cost-effective way for Metropolitan Police to narrow the scope of their review-turned-investigation into Madeleine's disappearance must be to consolidate their position as to the nature of any crime committed against her. That was the approach taken by the Portuguese (surprise, surprise) in their original investigation, encouraged not just by the indications of trained sniffer dogs, but by the earlier input of UK based expertise, in the form of the NPIA's National Search Adviser, Mark Harrison MBE. Surely his voice must count for something, even in the face of absolute refusal to entertain interpretation of the dogs' behaviour subsequently.

"There is no evidence Madeleine is dead".

But that, as both the McCanns and DCI Redwood should know, does not constitute evidence she is alive. Equally, there is no evidence that she was abducted, which, likewise, is insufficient to prove she was not. But what, therefore, should one make of evidence that abduction, under the circumstances understood and at the very specific time alluded to by the only possible witnesses in the vicinity, could not have occurred? Such evidence clearly does not exist in the PJ files under the discrete heading 'evidence against', but it can be adduced. What is more, an evidence based argument, however persuasive, carries only the weight of probability. A logical proof, on the other hand, confers absolute certainty.

Earlier essays (Crystal Clear, Another Story) examined the circumstances in question, arriving at the conclusion that the putative abductor's biggest challenge was not getting into apartment 5A, but getting out again. And if they failed to do so by the time they were 'spotted' in the street by Jane Tanner then that incident itself could not have occurred. Crucial to any such conclusion is not the status of the patio door to the apartment but that of the front door, which various statements (e.g., those of Russell O'Brien, Matthew Oldfield and, importantly, Gerry McCann) inform us was locked, in which case a key would have been required in order to enter or exit the apartment that way.

Ah, but Gerry changed his mind. From: 'The deponent entered the club, using his key, the door being locked', to: 'Concerning the front door, although he is certain that it was closed, it is unlikely that it was locked, because they left through the back door'. Not exactly a categorical volte face you will notice. Nor is there a genuine causal relationship between synchronously unlocked doors.

'But this is all uncertainty, not evidence! Whe... Whe... Where is the evidence'?

It exists in the form of a book, and a statement therein which confirms that the front door to apartment 5A was locked on the night of May 3, 2007. That being the case, our hypothetical abductor of Madeleine McCann could not have exited the apartment without being seen by the two gentlemen conversing at the foot of the back stairs or, for that matter, in order to be seen by Jane Tanner. Basically he could not get out. And if he did not get out, then he did not get in either.

The book in question is 'Madeleine' by Kate McCann and the crucial statement is as follows:

"For a long while we would assume that the abductor had entered and exited through the window of the children's bedroom, but it is equally possible that he used the patio doors or even had a key to the front door."

The equation of possibilities here is perfectly clear. Any of three access points may have been utilised, including the front door, provided the intruder had a key. But why should he have needed a key to enter through an unlocked door? The implication is unmistakable. The front door was locked. But that would not have deterred anyone in possession of a key. Unfortunately for the McCanns' belief in abduction, it is not equally possible that he had a key to the front door.

As David Payne explains in his rogatory interview:

"...essentially you needed the key you know, to use, if I remember to gain access into the, err into the apartment, and you know generally it was difficult because there was, you know we'd ask about more than one key, there was the only one key to the apartment."

There was only one key to the apartment and the abductor did not have it.

He could not, therefore did not, exit the apartment with a child in his arms in the two or three minutes between Gerry McCann's last 'check' on the children and Jane Tanner's 'sighting'. Nor did he leave the apartment afterwards, carrying Madeleine past the Smiths. The child they witnessed was wearing the wrong pyjamas. And since the intending abductor was not discovered inside the apartment subsequently then he was not there at all.

Without an abductor there can have been no abduction, but thirty-eight people, at least, were in Portugal that night.'

Offline Chinagirl

Re: Dr. Roberts latest.
« Reply #1 on: July 09, 2013, 07:37:16 AM »
the nephilim giants  What is this?  And what "photographic evidence is demonstrably fake?"
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Offline Benice

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« Reply #2 on: July 09, 2013, 07:49:05 AM »
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There was only one key to the apartment and the abductor did not have it.
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If there was only one key how did the cleaners get in?







The notion that innocence prevails over guilt – when there is no evidence to the contrary – is what separates civilization from barbarism.    Unfortunately, there are remains of barbarism among us.    Until very recently, it headed the PJ in Portimão. I hope he was the last one.
                                               Henrique Monteiro, chief editor, Expresso, Portugal

Offline Puffin

Re: Dr. Roberts latest.
« Reply #3 on: July 09, 2013, 08:41:32 AM »
the nephilim giants  What is this?  And what "photographic evidence is demonstrably fake?"
Nephilim giants are some story from the Bible. 
Truth is the property of no individual but is the treasure of all men.
Ralph Waldo Emerson

stephen25000

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Re: Dr. Roberts latest.
« Reply #4 on: July 09, 2013, 08:49:43 AM »
Nephilim giants are some story from the Bible.

Fallen angels or offspring thereof.

Redblossom

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« Reply #5 on: July 09, 2013, 08:55:16 AM »
What does he mean the known photographic evidence is fake?

Very good piece overall,as usual.

stephen25000

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« Reply #6 on: July 09, 2013, 09:05:53 AM »
What does he mean the known photographic evidence is fake?

Very good piece overall,as usual.

Here's the link to the page.

http://missingmadeleine.forumotion.net/t23969-dr-martin-roberts-no-way-out-with-thanks-to-mccannfilescom

The point about the photographs needs explaining.

Offline sadie

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« Reply #7 on: July 09, 2013, 09:12:20 AM »
the nephilim giants  What is this?  And what "photographic evidence is demonstrably fake?"

Oh that is the photo of no-neck Madeleine.



Gotta be that photo.  The [ censored word] spent weeks / months mulling over that one.  Photo was photoshopped, they said.  What had happened to Madeleines neck?

Very important piece of evidence,that CG !  Didn'tcha know?

It proved that Madeleine was already dead before May3rd they said, cos that photo showed her with no-neck.

Then they put up photographs showing Gerry in the same place, but no Madeleine at his side.  Now that was photoshopped and by very viscious [ censored word] spreading propaganda.






Idiots ... stupid lot ..... and bullying liars.

Offline Carana

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« Reply #8 on: July 09, 2013, 09:14:08 AM »
The bit about a single key needs even more explaining...

Previous occupant of 5A:

I remember that the key to the apartment was a bit unusual. It was round and with cut segments. We noticed that the cleaning personnel knocked on the door once and would then enter in the apartment. In this sequence, we left the door always closed with the key in the lock. The next morning, the cleaning woman knocked on the door and entered normally independent of the door being locked with the key in the interior of the lock.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JUNE-HUGHES.htm

Offline Benice

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« Reply #9 on: July 09, 2013, 09:21:27 AM »
The bit about a single key needs even more explaining...

Previous occupant of 5A:

I remember that the key to the apartment was a bit unusual. It was round and with cut segments. We noticed that the cleaning personnel knocked on the door once and would then enter in the apartment. In this sequence, we left the door always closed with the key in the lock. The next morning, the cleaning woman knocked on the door and entered normally independent of the door being locked with the key in the interior of the lock.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JUNE-HUGHES.htm


Quite so Carana.     It's nonsense anyway to claim there was only one key.   What happens if a family staying at an apartment lose their key and can't get back in.   They go to reception and are given a duplicate one. 


The notion that innocence prevails over guilt – when there is no evidence to the contrary – is what separates civilization from barbarism.    Unfortunately, there are remains of barbarism among us.    Until very recently, it headed the PJ in Portimão. I hope he was the last one.
                                               Henrique Monteiro, chief editor, Expresso, Portugal

Offline Angelo222

Re: Dr. Roberts latest.
« Reply #10 on: July 09, 2013, 09:30:57 AM »
What a load of piffle Stephen.  I am surprised at you reposting this blog as your posts are usually matter of fact and not speculation.  Stating that there us no evidence was the clincher for me as we all know this is untrue.  There is lots of evidence, the thing that is lacking is proof of a crime.
« Last Edit: July 09, 2013, 09:33:32 AM by Angelo222 »
De troothe has the annoying habit of coming to the surface just when you least expect it!!

Je ne regrette rien!!

Offline Angelo222

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« Reply #11 on: July 09, 2013, 09:42:00 AM »
What does he mean the known photographic evidence is fake?

Very good piece overall,as usual.

If you seriously believe that Red then you are very deluded.  The 'only one key' comment alone renders the article a load of bollocks!!  @)(++(*
De troothe has the annoying habit of coming to the surface just when you least expect it!!

Je ne regrette rien!!

Offline sadie

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« Reply #12 on: July 09, 2013, 09:44:36 AM »
If you seriously believe that Red then you are very deluded.  The 'only one key' comment alone renders the article a load of bollocks!!  @)(++(*
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Offline Carana

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« Reply #13 on: July 09, 2013, 09:49:04 AM »

Quite so Carana.     It's nonsense anyway to claim there was only one key.   What happens if a family staying at an apartment lose their key and can't get back in.   They go to reception and are given a duplicate one.

Quite.

David Payne's issue was probably wanting an extra key as they had Fiona's mother with them. If people want to come and go when they please, it's a pain not to have a second key.

The alternatives would be:
- to arrange to meet up at a specific time in order to get in (which can often be a pain if people have a change of plan or are late);
- to drop it off at the reception (would this have been the main one?). If so - a hassle;
- to leave it under a doormat or some other hiding place.

If a key is left under a doormat, it would hardly be difficult to get a duplicate made and put the original back where it was.
« Last Edit: July 09, 2013, 09:52:05 AM by Carana »

stephen25000

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Re: Dr. Roberts latest.
« Reply #14 on: July 09, 2013, 10:12:21 AM »
What a load of piffle Stephen.  I am surprised at you reposting this blog as your posts are usually matter of fact and not speculation.  Stating that there us no evidence was the clincher for me as we all know this is untrue.  There is lots of evidence, the thing that is lacking is proof of a crime.

No problem Angelo.

I just wanted to see the reaction it produced.