Did Rebelo Believe That David Payne Visited the McCann's Apartment ?

[faithlilly]

From the PJ's Final Report :

' What happened during the time lapse between 5.30 p.m. (the time at which MADELEINE was seen for the last time by a person that differs from her parents or siblings) and the time at which the disappearance is reported by KATE HEALY (at around 10 p.m.).'

Can we assume from the above that Rebelo did not believe the claims of the McCanns and their friends that David  Payne visited the McCann's apartment at 6.30 ?

[AnneGuedes]

One of the most bizarre item is the letter (24.10.2007 -- Volume XIII, Pages 3909-3915) of police officer Mike Marshall to his homologous Ricardo Paiva referring to written answers of Mr and Mrs Payne to questions, neither the questions nor the answers being in the files.
MM analyses these answers (likely RP is informed of them) :
-- (DP) "states he saw Madeleine for the last time at 17h in the McCann flat". Likely 19h (7pm) has to be read here instead of 17h.  Mr and Mrs McCann were there. Mr Payne "doesn't explain or is able to explain why he was there, what for and for how long". Generally speaking Mr Payne tends to answer that he has already answered and doesn't give full answers to many questions.
-- (FP) "states she went to the McCann flat at 19h with Mrs McCann and that her husband (David or Gerald ?) arrived 10 minutes later." Mrs Payne tends also to reply vaguely mentioning she already answered.
Mike Marshall's letter is extraordinary. Apart from showing that police officers were really communicating, it brings a totally new element to the 3rd of May time line, denying Mr and Mrs Payne's unique statements to the PJ.

[faithlilly]

Seems this is a subject the McCann supporters don't want to discusss.

[Carana]

From the PJ's Final Report :

' What happened during the time lapse between 5.30 p.m. (the time at which MADELEINE was seen for the last time by a person that differs from her parents or siblings) and the time at which the disappearance is reported by KATE HEALY (at around 10 p.m.).'

Can we assume from the above that Rebelo did not believe the claims of the McCanns and their friends that David  Payne visited the McCann's apartment at 6.30 ?

That doesn't appear to correspond to the PT original.

[Carana]

The time is wrong in the translation and DP somehow got left out.

[Rachel Granada]

Seems this is a subject the McCann supporters don't want to discusss.

Where did you get the translation from, faithlilly?

[Carana]

I can't answer for Faith, but the same "translation" appears here (towards the bottom):


 Thanks to Kazlux 'astro', 'debk' and 'Joana Morais' for translation
17-Processos Volume XVII, P. 4526 to 4583

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/P_J_FINAL_REPORT.htm

[Carana]

Faith's OP
From the PJ's Final Report :

' What happened during the time lapse between 5.30 p.m. (the time at which MADELEINE was seen for the last time by a person that differs from her parents or siblings) and the time at which the disappearance is reported by KATE HEALY (at around 10 p.m.).'

Can we assume from the above that Rebelo did not believe the claims of the McCanns and their friends that David  Payne visited the McCann's apartment at 6.30 ?

The problem is that what was 18h45/19h00 in the original turned into 5:30 (17h30) in the English and the mention of DP disappeared.

[DCI]

Faith's OP
From the PJ's Final Report :

' What happened during the time lapse between 5.30 p.m. (the time at which MADELEINE was seen for the last time by a person that differs from her parents or siblings) and the time at which the disappearance is reported by KATE HEALY (at around 10 p.m.).'

Can we assume from the above that Rebelo did not believe the claims of the McCanns and their friends that David  Payne visited the McCann's apartment at 6.30 ?

The problem is that what was 18h45/19h00 in the original turned into 5:30 (17h30) in the English and the mention of DP disappeared.

From the original DVD's Carana! You are correct

O estabelecimento de uma linha de tempo e de controlo efectivo dos
menores deixados sozinhos nos apartamentos, uma vez que, a crerse
que tal controlo seria tão apertado como as testemunhas e os
arguidos o descrevem, seria, pelo menos, muito difícil que se
encontrassem reunidas condições para a introdução de um raptor na
residência e posterior saída do mesmo, com a criança, mormente por
uma janela com escasso espaço. Acresce que o suposto raptor só
poderia passar, nessa janela, com a menor numa posição diferente
(na vertical) à que a testemunha JANE TANNER o visualizou (na
horizontal).

~ O que aconteceu no hiato temporal que mediou entre cerca das
18H45/19HOO - hora a que a MADELEINE foi vista pela última vez,
no seu apartamento, por pessoadiferente (DAVID PAYNE) dos seus
pais ou irmãos - e a hora a que é reportado o desaparecimento por
KATE HEALY - cerca das 22HOO - . •

Translation error?  >@@(*&)

[DCI]

The legal summary, has the correct version, Carana. So why was it altered, during translation, for the final report?

4 - What happened during the time lapse between approximately 6.45/7 p.m. - the time at which MADELEINE was seen for the last time, in her apartment, by a different person (David Payne) from her parents or siblings - and the time at which the disappearance is reported by Kate Healy - at around 10 p.m.;

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/LEGAL_SUMMARY.htm

[Luz]

That doesn't appear to correspond to the PT original.

The portuguese document reproduced here is the interim report by the PJ and not the AT final report.

[Luz]

When Rebelo was nominated he knew that the process was to be archived. That was the condition imposed to him and the reason they got rid of GA.
Nevertheless Rebelo attempted to follow the scheduled tasks that Amaral had left open, like the reconstruction and the retrieval of the forensic and official data required from UK, as we all know, unsuccessfully.

The fact that he abandoned Leicestershire even before the re-interviews were completed showed how he valued what was being done by those honorable policepersons :-)

Obviously he couldn't fight politics and the Lisbon Treaty spoke higher than finding the truth about the disappearance of a little british child.

[Carana]

Faith was talking about the PJ final report.


As far as I'm aware that 30 June 2008 report was the final PJ one.

The legal summary states the same facts on this issue as the PJ original. It's the English translation that is wrong.

[DCI]

Not everyone got the timings wrong!

http://www.mccannfiles.com/id136.html

The Archiving of the Madeleine Process: Section E Joana Morais blogspot
By Astro

21 July 2009
E – About the interest of the reconstruction

4 – What happened during the time lapse between approximately 6.45/7 p.m. – the time at which MADELEINE was seen for the last time, in her apartment, by a different person (David Payne) from her parents or siblings – and the time at which the disappearance is reported by Kate Healy – at around 10 p.m.;

[Redblossom]

The quote in the OP appears in the Portuguese pdf Final PJ report, page 55, last paragraph

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MaddieMcCann_PJ.pdf