So if the abduction occurred at 9.15pm lets look at the movements.

[AnneGuedes]

So you think Kate was so unintelligent and thick that she decided it would be a good idea to make up a story about cadaverscent and put it in her book?   IIRC the expert was an ex dog handler, but as I can't recall the details I can't vouch for that.

No, I think it was clever to fake she knew about cadaver scent. Do you want a proof ? See your post.

[Benice]

If lawyers had checked every technical detail, this would be stated and signed at the end of the book. It isn't. You're just propagating another myth. Do the McCanns need it ?

If you accusiing me of propagating myths then you'd better come up with the evidence to prove it. 

One of the major reasons why I post is because of  the myths, lies, and disinformation which have pervaded this case - initially spawned by the smear campaign of vicious lies printed in the Portuguese Press - with the blessing of certain elements of the PJ  and then picked up and repeated in the UK press - for no other reason than for financial profit - and with a complete disregard for the truth or the effect they had on the parents of an abducted child.   Mud sticks - and  since then all manner of wild accusations and downright lies have been spread about the McCanns and others and still are. 

To suggest that I am deliberately creating myths is untrue and grossly offensive.  I await your response.



   

[Chinagirl]

 

[AnneGuedes]

If you accusiing me of propagating myths then you'd better come up with the evidence to prove it. 

One of the major reasons why I post is because of  the myths, lies, and disinformation which have pervaded this case - initially spawned by the smear campaign of vicious lies printed in the Portuguese Press - with the blessing of certain elements of the PJ  and then picked up and repeated in the UK press - for no other reason than for financial profit - and with a complete disregard for the truth or the effect they had on the parents of an abducted child.   Mud sticks - and  since then all manner of wild accusations and downright lies have been spread about the McCanns and others and still are. 

To suggest that I am deliberately creating myths is untrue and grossly offensive.  I await your response.

Well, if your agenda is to hunt myths and destroy them, it's a noble task, Benice, but you haven't yet shown it was.
When I read your audacious and nauseous comments about the Joana case based on google translating and tendentious articles, I'm perplex.
When I read you believe whatever Mrs McCann proclaims without the tiniest evidence, I'm perplex.
When I read you suspect Mr Grime of unconsciously cueing a dog the alerts of whom you don't agree with, I'm perplex.
Your idea of getting rid of myths is certainly not mine !

[Benice]

Well, if your agenda is to hunt myths and destroy them, it's a noble task, Benice, but you haven't yet shown it was.
When I read your audacious and nauseous comments about the Joana case based on google translating and tendentious articles, I'm perplex.
When I read you believe whatever Mrs McCann proclaims without the tiniest evidence, I'm perplex.
When I read you suspect Mr Grime of unconsciously cueing a dog the alerts of whom you don't agree with, I'm perplex.
Your idea of getting rid of myths is certainly not mine !

So my opinions based on statements, evidence and the professional opinions of experts in their various fields are to be considered as creating myths?     Please quote from my posts where I have claimed untrue facts to be true - or where I have deliberately set out to create a myth.

[AnneGuedes]

So my opinions based on statements, evidence and the professional opinions of experts in their various fields are to be considered as creating myths?     Please quote from my posts where I have claimed untrue facts to be true - or where I have deliberately set out to create a myth.

You're evidently entitled to have opinions and the right/duty to share them, Benice, but you can't post them as facts.
You reported as if it were a fact that cadaver scent doesn't last more than a month, your source being Mrs McCann who consulted an expert ! I by chance know this is not true because I read a lot (scientific papers) on that topic. Instead of admitting that it's only a statement of Mrs McCann, and not a fact, you insist arguing she's not stupid and has lawyers to check her technical points, etc.
The best would be to find a very credible expert confirming what Mrs McCann pretends to have been told. But it could be a waste of time, since you surely realize that Prof Harrison MBE wouldn't have advised to call the dogs if this was true.

[Redblossom]

You're evidently entitled to have opinions and the right/duty to share them, Benice, but you can't post them as facts.
You reported as if it were a fact that cadaver scent doesn't last more than a month, your source being Mrs McCann who consulted an expert ! I by chance know this is not true because I read a lot (scientific papers) on that topic. Instead of admitting that it's only a statement of Mrs McCann, and not a fact, you insist arguing she's not stupid and has lawyers to check her technical points, etc.
The best would be to find a very credible expert confirming what Mrs McCann pretends to have been told. But it could be a waste of time, since you surely realize that Prof Harrison MBE wouldn't have advised to call the dogs if this was true.

[Benice]

You're evidently entitled to have opinions and the right/duty to share them, Benice, but you can't post them as facts.
You reported as if it were a fact that cadaver scent doesn't last more than a month, your source being Mrs McCann who consulted an expert ! I by chance know this is not true because I read a lot (scientific papers) on that topic. Instead of admitting that it's only a statement of Mrs McCann, and not a fact, you insist arguing she's not stupid and has lawyers to check her technical points, etc.
The best would be to find a very credible expert confirming what Mrs McCann pretends to have been told. But it could be a waste of time, since you surely realize that Prof Harrison MBE wouldn't have advised to call the dogs if this was true.

This is completely untrue, I have never claimed that cadaver odour lasts only one month - in fact quite the opposite. What I did claim is that if Kate McCann received that information from an expert in the field then SHE - not I, having no reason to disbelieve that information, was justified in quoting it in her book.

Next?

[AnneGuedes]

This is completely untrue, I have never claimed that cadaver odour lasts only one month - in fact quite the opposite. What I did claim is that if Kate McCann received that information from an expert in the field then SHE - not I, having no reason to disbelieve that information, was justified in quoting it in her book.

Next?

Don't escape !
What do you consider the opposite of one month ?
If you don't agree with Mrs McCann why don't you say she was badly informed (if she was informed at all, a detail you ignore) instead of finding supreendently justified her giving false informations (that serve her abduction doxa, a detail you don't ignore) in her book ?

[sadie]

Kate claimed as fact that cadaver odour lasts no more than thirty days, a blatant untruth and one that seems to have slipped by the censors.

As to Amaral not being able to sue Kate that's because, as you yourself have pointed out, lawyers had gone though it with a fine toothed comb before publication  and anything libellous would have been taken out. Also you seem to be confusing truthful with non-libellous. They are not the same thing.

Can I also point out that Amaral's book was also a best seller all over Europe, even before the ban, outselling Madeleine in several countries , and quite possibly would have been a best seller here too.

Can you tell us what page she makes that claim, please faith.  I would like to see the context.

Thanks in anticipation

[faithlilly]

Can you tell us what page she makes that claim, please faith.  I would like to see the context.

Thanks in anticipation

Here you go sadie.

'At that point Gerry began to feel a lot better. He realized that no one could have planted forensic evidence to implicate us because – despite what we had been led to believe by the PJ and the newspaper headlines – there wasn’t any such evidence. They had no proof that Madeleine was dead. All they actually had was the signal of a dog trying to please its instructor in an apartment from which Madeleine had been taken three months earlier. As we now know, the chemicals believed to create the ‘odour of death’, putrescence and cadaverine, last no longer than thirty days. There were no decaying body parts for the dog to find. It was simply wrong.'

She also said Gerry had researched the sniffer dogs. I certainly  wouldn't like to be a heart patient of his if that is the calibre of his research.

[sadie]

Here you go sadie.

'At that point Gerry began to feel a lot better. He realized that no one could have planted forensic evidence to implicate us because – despite what we had been led to believe by the PJ and the newspaper headlines – there wasn’t any such evidence. They had no proof that Madeleine was dead. All they actually had was the signal of a dog trying to please its instructor in an apartment from which Madeleine had been taken three months earlier. As we now know, the chemicals believed to create the ‘odour of death’, putrescence and cadaverine, last no longer than thirty days. There were no decaying body parts for the dog to find. It was simply wrong.'

She also said Gerry had researched the sniffer dogs. I certainly  wouldn't like to be a heart patient of his if that is the calibre of his research.

Thank you Faith

Is anything left out or added in?   Cos it seems with the telephone calls from OC to the GNR, whole wedges were omitted.  Dozens of calls going out from OC on the second line, yet at the pertinent time no calls at all from that line.  Over two hours with no calls out   .....   Jeez that doesn't ring true to me.

[Benice]

Don't escape !
What do you consider the opposite of one month ?
If you don't agree with Mrs McCann why don't you say she was badly informed (if she was informed at all, a detail you ignore) instead of finding supreendently justified her giving false informations (that serve her abduction doxa, a detail you don't ignore) in her book ?

I have posted several times that Eddie was capable of detecting scent from decades ago.  This is one of the FACTS I have put forward to explain why (without corroborating evidence) - no-one knows whether the scent was recent or ancient or whether it was related to Madeleine or not.

You said about me:

''You reported as if it were a fact that cadaver scent doesn't last more than a month''

That is clearly not true and you should acknowledge that fact.

 

[AnneGuedes]

I have posted several times that Eddie was capable of detecting scent from decades ago.  This is one of the FACTS I have put forward to explain why (without corroborating evidence) - no-one knows whether the scent was recent or ancient or whether it was related to Madeleine or not.

You said about me:

''You reported as if it were a fact that cadaver scent doesn't last more than a month''

That is clearly not true and you should acknowledge that fact.

I acknowledge that you, Benice, don't claim a cadaver scent without palpable remains lasts less than a month, though Mrs McCann presented it as a fact in her book.
Obviously if Eddie and other cadaver dogs were proved to be capable to detect very old cadaver scent, it implies some palpable remains were found.

[Benice]

I acknowledge that you, Benice, don't claim a cadaver scent without palpable remains lasts less than a month, though Mrs McCann presented it as a fact in her book.
Obviously if Eddie and other cadaver dogs were proved to be capable to detect very old cadaver scent, it implies some palpable remains were found.

Thank you for your acknowledgement that I did not lie.

Kate McCann posted the results of their research.   She had no reason to believe that it could be incorrect.  To say she lied is unfair.

The whole subject of Sniffer dog is not the exact science some sceptics try to present it as.   There are varying opinions about it.    Also just like humans some dogs are better at their job than others and some handlers are better at their job than others.  They are not infallible.    Tests have confirmed that to be a fact.