The sad mantra about neglect

[Mo Stache]

Could you please direct me to the place in the case files where there is evidence (preferably forensic) that Madeleine was snatched from her bed and is alive as a result of that, that night?

"Therefore, after all seen, analysed and duly pondered, with all that is left exposed, it is determined:
 ...
b) The archiving of the Process concerning Arguidos Gerald Patrick McCann and Kate Marie Healy, because there are no indications of the practise of any crime under the dispositions of article 277 number 1 of the Penal Process Code.
 
Article 277 number 3 of the Penal Process Code is to be fulfilled.
 
Under article 214 number 1 item a) of the Penal Process Code, the coercion measures that have been imposed on the arguidos are declared extinct.
 
Portimão, 21.07.08
 
The Republic’s Prosecutor
 
(José de Magalhães e Menezes)"

and several statements made by Scotland Yard who believe she may well be alive.

[Redblossom]

What efforts were made to extract DNA information from cuddle cat?

why should there have been any efforts?

[stephen25000]

"Therefore, after all seen, analysed and duly pondered, with all that is left exposed, it is determined:
 ...
b) The archiving of the Process concerning Arguidos Gerald Patrick McCann and Kate Marie Healy, because there are no indications of the practise of any crime under the dispositions of article 277 number 1 of the Penal Process Code.
 
Article 277 number 3 of the Penal Process Code is to be fulfilled.
 
Under article 214 number 1 item a) of the Penal Process Code, the coercion measures that have been imposed on the arguidos are declared extinct.
 
Portimão, 21.07.08
 
The Republic’s Prosecutor
 
(José de Magalhães e Menezes)"

and several statements made by Scotland Yard who believe she may well be alive.

SY also said she could be dead.

[Benice]

SY also said she could be dead.

Yes - but at the hands of the abductor(s).

[Redblossom]

Yes - but at the hands of the abductor(s).

nope sy said no such thing

Sy also never said madeleine was abducted by a stranger


Keep up benice

[AnneGuedes]

And the AG report says that she is more likely dead (without specifying how)

[Benice]

nope sy said no such thing

Sy also never said madeleine was abducted by a stranger


Keep up benice

It's not me who needs to keep up Red.  IMO Andy Redwood clearly said that they thought Madeleine was the victim of stranger abduction.   What they do not  know is what happened to her after she was abducted - i.e. that she could be alive or dead.

[sadie]

But as I have already said there was through the unsecured patio doors, with railings  just high enough for a child to fall over ( cadaver scent in garden below balcony anyone ? ).

Excuse me, but those railings were far too high for a 3 - 4 year child to fall over

Please do not obfuscate

[faithlilly]

Excuse me, but those railings were far too high for a 3 - 4 year child to fall over

Please do not obfuscate

Not so sadie. Remember I have also seen them firsthand.

[stephen25000]

Yes - but at the hands of the abductor(s).

Can you provide the link to where he said that ?

[gilet]

Could you please direct me to the place in the case files where there is evidence (preferably forensic) that Madeleine was snatched from her bed and is alive as a result of that, that night?

Just as there is no direct evidence of this, there is equally no direct evidence of the death of Madeleine McCann.

So your question is utterly pointless.

The fact is that the PJ in their final report said both are possible and SY in their latest statement said both are possible.

Anyone saying any more than that is quite frankly delusional as there is no proof one way or the other.

[ferryman]

DNA does not point to someone being alive or dead, just to their presence at a particular spot.

And dogs incompetently deployed point to, well, nothing at all ...

[stephen25000]

DNA does not point to someone being alive or dead, just to their presence at a particular spot.

And dogs incompetently deployed point to, well, nothing at all ...

If dogs are pointless, why are they used extensively by police services, customs services, etc., around the world ?

[Luz]

First it's not a mantra, and second if they were portuguese they would have faced at least a 5 year prison sentence.
They knew it but they risked it because if found accessories to murder, in portugal, they would face at least 25 years.

[gilet]

If dogs are pointless, why are they used extensively by police services, customs services, etc., around the world ?

They are used to suggest targets for further examination.

If nothing is found to prove the dog alerts were accurate (as in the McCann case) then no further action is taken.

If a dog alerts to you, for example at an airport, and you are checked thoroughly for any untoward substances etc. and nothing is found, then you are allowed to leave the airport and get on with your life.  You are not deemed guilty of an offence.

As with the McCanns, there were thorough checks and nothing was found which directly corroborated the dog alerts. Therefore the McCanns are not deemed guilty by normal people.

It is only those who throw the law on its head who believe the McCanns guilty because of uncorroborated dog alerts.

Or perhaps you are in the habit of believing that there is some mysterious limbo of guilt without charge, into which all those alerted to by dogs at airports and against whom no evidence of any crime was found (as in the case of the McCanns) are thrown?

There is no evidence of neglect by the McCanns and the dogs will never no matter how you try to disrupt this thread prove any neglect by them.

Nor will you ever convince those who have fully read the Archival report or those whose understanding that hindsight is a wonderful thing, that there was any neglect by the McCanns. That is only your opinion with the full benefit of hindsight (see this thread http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=2011.0 ).

ps and don't ask that hoary old chestnut much beloved of anti McCanns, "If a dog alerted to a bomb on a plane or in a theatre and no device was found, would you fly on that plane?" because the answer is from me a definitive, "Yes".  I am aware that after such alerts, the most thorough checks are done and no airline or theatre would ever allow passengers to board or customers to take their seats knowing that they could be accused of effectively killing those people were there have to have been a bomb.

Alerts are merely "suggestive". That is the precise word used by Martin Grime. He does not call them "absolute", "definitive" or anything similar. He knows that they are not. Perhaps it is time that anti McCanns also realised that as well? Then they might understand that their pathetic and wrong-headed insistence that alerts without evidence as in the McCanns case are not the signs of guilt that they claim them to be.