The sad mantra about neglect

[Benice]

Nothing to "clean up", many haemorrhages are internal. No sign, no nothing.
Either Madeleine fell over the balcony or fell from the chair on the hard balcony tiles when trying to see better if her parents were the people she heard talking and laughing.
If so molecules would have been drifted to the flower bed by wind, by rain.

So tell us what happened after they found her Anne.

[AnneGuedes]

So tell us what happened after they found her Anne.

First the question would be "who found her and when", don't you think ?
The same accident, but a more acceptable one, could have happened before they left. We know the sliding door was open and Mrs McCann was having a shower.

[sadie]

You cant *assume* anything, timewise, there is a 5 hour gap almost where anything could have happened.

No there IS NOT a 5 hour time gap.  The maximum is 35 minutes


Madeleine left the tapas bar after her tea at  just before 5.40pm (Kates May 6th statement)

Madeleine left the tapas bar after her tea at 5.30pm (Gerrys May 10th statement)
Kate was bathing the three children and getting them ready for bed when David arrived at 6.35/ 6.40.  He saw Madeleine and the twins dressed ready for bed. (Davids Rog statement part 2)
Kate was with the children until Gerry arrived back from Tennis, before 8 pm (Davids Rog statement and IIRC also Gerrys statement)

Kate and Gerry were with the children until they left for the tapas restaurant at 8.30pm
Matt made a listening check at about 9.00pm
Gerry returned from the Tapas restaurant and saw the children between 9.05 and 910pm
Jane Tanner, at 9.15 ish, saw bundleman and almost certainly Madeleine.  Even noticing the detail at the bottom of her pyjama trousers.
Matt made a visual check at about 9.25 pm, but unfortunately didn't want to go into the room - so only actually visually checked the twins.  The door was wider open than expected IIRC ... so seems the abduction had already taken place
Kate checked at 10.00pm and found Madeleine gone


The longest gap I can find is 35 minutes ... NOT 5 hours

Why make it up Red?

[sadie]

Madeleine falls awkwardly from the balcony into the flowerbed and is killed by either a broken neck or head injury. What exactly would there be to 'clean up' ?

The balcony was too high for Madeleine to just fall over.  You know that Faith.  it has been worked out earlier.  Why are you bringing it up again?

If Madeleine was desperately looking for her mum and dad then there are two things at least to take into account
1)  She closed the patio door behind her.  Not at all likely
2)  Madeleine had a very good view of where Kate and Gerry were sitting without needing a chair to look


The building immediately behind the water and in the middle of the picture is the outdoor tapas restaurant, where Kate and Gerry sat.  The photo is taken from outside the patio window.  No need to climb on anything to see her mum and dad

Just why are you going on about her having fallen from the balcony?  Doesn't make sense.

[faithlilly]

The balcony was too high for Madeleine to just fall over.  You know that Faith.  it has been worked out earlier.  Why are you bringing it up again?

If Madeleine was desperately looking for her mum and dad then there are two things at least to take into account
1)  She closed the patio door behind her.  Not at all likely
2)  Madeleine had a very good view of where Kate and Gerry were sitting without needing a chair to look


The building immediately behind the water and in the middle of the picture is the outdoor tapas restaurant, where Kate and Gerry sat.  The photo is taken from outside the patio window.  No need to climb on anything to see her mum and dad

Just why are you going on about her having fallen from the balcony?  Doesn't make sense.

The space to the right of the railings was the location of another set of railings at the time. This is the railings I am talking about. Your picture actually shows the foliage at that point obscures the view of the tapas.

[sadie]

The space to the right of the railings was the location of another set of railings at the time. This is the railings I am talking about. Your picture actually shows the foliage at that point obscures the view of the tapas.

Yep, this illustrates how rapidly greenery grows in PT, but even if it had the railings in place and had somewhat lower greenery, why would Madeleine go there to see her parents when she could see them from just outside the patio windows?  ... Just where she came out of the flat?

And do you honestly think that had she been able to open the patio door, that she would take the time and trouble to close it again?   Nah ... sorry!
 
With all due respect, Faith, your idea doesn't hold water tbh

[faithlilly]

Yep, this illustrates how rapidly greenery grows in PT, but even if it had the railings in place and had somewhat lower greenery, why would Madeleine go there to see her parents when she could see them from just outside the patio windows?  ... Just where she came out of the flat?

And do you honestly think that had she been able to open the patio door, that she would take the time and trouble to close it again?   Nah ... sorry!
 
With all due respect, Faith, your idea doesn't hold water tbh

Madeleine would be naturally drawn to that side because it that's the direction the noise from the tapas would have been coming from.

As to the patio door being shut, we only have Gerry's word for that.

[sadie]

Madeleine would be naturally drawn to that side because it that's the direction the noise from the tapas would have been coming from.

As to the patio door being shut, we only have Gerry's word for that.

Maybe, but she could see them from almost where she came out of te apartment ... so I think that unlikely really

I am happy with Gerrys word.

If you prefer to believe the word of Amaral, a proven liar, then it is up to you.... but dont expect peeps to take you seriously if you do.

[faithlilly]

Maybe, but she could see them from almost where she came out of te apartment ... so I think that unlikely really

I am happy with Gerrys word.

If you prefer to believe the word of Amaral, a proven liar, then it is up to you.... but dont expect peeps to take you seriously if you do.

People can take me whatever way they like sadie. I am simply stating facts.

TBH sadie I do worry about what kind of mother you must have been when you can see no danger in the situation Madeleine and her siblings were left in.

[stephen25000]

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[Redblossom]

Maybe, but she could see them from almost where she came out of te apartment ... so I think that unlikely really

I am happy with Gerrys word.

If you prefer to believe the word of Amaral, a proven liar, then it is up to you.... but dont expect peeps to take you seriously if you do.

But gerry is a proven liar as well
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did you nor read the posts proving it?

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http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=2027.msg65341#msg65341

[stephen25000]

Maybe, but she could see them from almost where she came out of te apartment ... so I think that unlikely really

I am happy with Gerrys word.

If you prefer to believe the word of Amaral, a proven liar, then it is up to you.... but dont expect peeps to take you seriously if you do.

How do you know Gerry Mccann didn't tell lies ?

Do you really think that every word Amaral utters is a lie ?

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[sadie]

How do you know Gerry Mccann didn't tell lies ?

Do you really think that every word Amaral utters is a lie ?

Also, looking at the photographs, the landing leads to stairs.

Assuming Madeleine got outside after waking up in a groggy state as many people do, at night and slipped on the stairs. This could cause serious injury if not death of a child. A child's skeleton especially the skull is made of softer bone/tissue and far more vulnerable than an adult.

You haven't been following the thread have you Stephen?

Anyway, Gotta go now.  Busy

[Lace]

People can take me whatever way they like sadie. I am simply stating facts.

TBH sadie I do worry about what kind of mother you must have been when you can see no danger in the situation Madeleine and her siblings were left in.
That was a post from faithfully to Sadie

That is a spiteful thing to say Faithfully,  especially after what Sadie posted on another thread about her son.

You like taking swipes at Sadie don't you.

[sadie]

People can take me whatever way they like sadie. I am simply stating facts.

TBH sadie I do worry about what kind of mother you must have been when you can see no danger in the situation Madeleine and her siblings were left in.

Well if I was a bad mother, then despite that my daughter has grown into a very fine woman.

All I tell you is my experiences of having a garden 50 metres long and being out there and hearing my children when they called.  back door unlocked and sometimes sidegate unlocked too.

Take it or leave it!  One does not expect someone to come in and steal ones children.  Face facts please.