Abduction versus Accident

[AnneGuedes]

I just asked the question, Anne.  Insider seems to be hinting that he "knows what really happened".

Yes, Rachel, but I thought I understood the fridge idea was frozen for good.

[Rachel Granada]

Yes, Rachel, but I thought I understood the fridge idea was frozen for good.

Not according to Amaral it isn't, Anne!

Anyway, still waiting for someone to come up with a way that the McCanns could have "done it" within the 4.5 hour timeframe that we are being expected to believe.

[Mo Stache]

How many of these young people were under 4 years of age when abducted?

How many were abducted in Portugal?

How many were abducted while on holiday?

How does any of the answers to your questions change the fact that these people (no matter what age they were when abducted, no matter in which country they were when abducted, no matter what the circumstances where when abducted) WERE abducted and WERE found alive years later?

No case is exactly the same, yet these people were found alive years later. To speculate and say the same can't happen for Madeleine because she disappeared at age 3 on holiday in Portugal, is ludicrous.

[insider]

Do you believe Madeleine was kept in a fridge then transported in the Scenic...

This is the sort of nonsense I had in mind in my last post.  You answer your own question in many ways but no, she was never in any fridge or transported in a Renault Scenic or by any other vehicle by the McCanns.  After Madeleine was carried from the apartment she was never seen again by her parents.

[gilet]

How many from bed ?
How many through broken/open shutters and window ?
How many from a flat where a cadaver dog smelled death ?

Possibly none. What is your point?

How instance were there of people being taken in Austria by a father? Would that be one?

That would be the same number of instances as this one in PDL?

[Mo Stache]

How many from bed ?
How many through broken/open shutters and window ?
How many from a flat where a cadaver dog smelled death ?

Whether they were taken from their beds, baths, playgrounds, schools, walking to and from school or the shops, the fact still remains; they were found alive years later.
Cadaver dog findings not backed up by forensics is NO evidence of any death.

[gilet]

This is the sort of nonsense I had in mind in my last post.  You answer your own question in many ways but no, she was never in any fridge or transported in a Renault Scenic or by any other vehicle by the McCanns.  After Madeleine was carried from the apartment she was never seen again by her parents.

You make yourself look very foolish when posting your claims as absolute facts when you know as well as we all do that you cannot prove any of what you are claiming.

Your ID of insider is very telling. Why are you pretending to inside knowledge or are you pretending that you are superior intellectually to everyone else and have managed to solve this case by those means?

[Redblossom]

How does any of the answers to your questions change the fact that these people (no matter what age they were when abducted, no matter in which country they were when abducted, no matter what the circumstances where when abducted) WERE abducted and WERE found alive years later?

No case is exactly the same, yet these people were found alive years later. To speculate and say the same can't happen for Madeleine because she disappeared at age 3 on holiday in Portugal, is ludicrous.

But there is no precedent for a three year old being taken by a stranger and returned or rescued  years later, unless you have an example

[Rachel Granada]

This is the sort of nonsense I had in mind in my last post.  You answer your own question in many ways but no, she was never in any fridge or transported in a Renault Scenic or by any other vehicle by the McCanns.  After Madeleine was carried from the apartment she was never seen again by her parents.

Glad to hear that you don't lend any credence to Amaral's execrable fridge/Scenic nonsense.  JK Rowling couldn't have topped that one!

[gilet]

Whether they were taken from their beds, baths, playgrounds, schools, walking to and from school or the shops, the fact still remains; they were found alive years later.
Cadaver dog findings not backed up by forensics is NO evidence of any death.

Excellent point. Anne Guedes is showing a basic lack of understanding of the role of the dogs and what their findings indicate.

They indicate the potential trace of cadaver odour, and cannot be in any way taken as direct evidence of the death of Madeleine McCann.

[Redblossom]

Whether they were taken from their beds, baths, playgrounds, schools, walking to and from school or the shops, the fact still remains; they were found alive years later.
Cadaver dog findings not backed up by forensics is NO evidence of any death.

No one ever said it was. It can be indicative and most police forces treat such finds as justifiable suspicion.

[Rachel Granada]

But there is no precedent for a three year old being taken by a stranger and returned or rescued  years later, unless you have an example

I don't think there was a precedent for the Josef Fritzl crimes in Austria?  But they happened....

[Angelo222]

Angelo 222
You beat me to it   

From what I've seen, there are a lot of people who think they know a lot of things, slate the Portuguese investigators and other posters. If you're so cock sure you can do better, then either call SY or go to PDL and solve it. And furthermore I can understand why the idea of making 2 moderators from the Madeleine Mccann boards was dropped, it's like an mexican standoff now and ever decreasing circles. I think my wig might blast off at any time.

You should change your username SHW since the lady has now done with it all??

[gilet]

But there is no precedent for a three year old being taken by a stranger and returned or rescued  years later, unless you have an example

There is no precedence for many events but they happen. Are you saying just because no such event has taken place previously that it is impossible? If not then it is possible and Madeleine may be alive.

Till there is evidence to the contrary it is the position of most normal people, whilst accepting that it is possibly unlikely they will hold out at least a minimal hope of recovery.

I cannot understand those who simply on the basis of statistics declare openly that Madeleine is dead. Its possible, maybe probable but it is not as they claim a certainty.

And without that certainty then no parent will ever give up and no charitable person should give up supporting those parents however limited the hope might be.

[Mo Stache]

But there is no precedent for a three year old being taken by a stranger and returned or rescued  years later, unless you have an example

Since when does the outcome of Madeleines case depend on a set precedence? Since when do abductors work according to a set pattern for all victims? Not one case's circumstances are the same. Trying to prove Madeleine is dead by claiming the circumstances don't fit the pattern of other victims found alive years later, is ludicrous.