The archiving report ...

[Mo Stache]

What, like Paiva's comment about Amatal's theory stopping other lines of enquiry or is this the 'selective' mistranslations again ?

The issue you just raised here, is being discussed on another thread.

[Redblossom]

It's a big "so what" don't you think? Why else would it have been raised in court.

Launched 3 days after. Here is a copy of my post for you to read again.

Amaral LAUNCHED his book 24 July 2008. The case was shelved 21 July 2008. So he had written his book making use of case information that was still under secrecy law and then PUBLISHED IT PRIOR TO THE SHELVING DATE and waited 3 days after the notice of shelving had been given, then launched his book.

You can pick over a few days technically, fact is, Duarte picked up on it and wanted to start another action over it, both against Mr Amaral and the TV company and book publishers, didnt she get sent away with a flea in her ear? IE no one cared. it was decided he had not broken any law. It was considered vexatious.  And you still didnt answer my questions of what info was in Mr Amarals book that he was not privy to? His book ENDED OCTOBER 07 when he was taken off the case. much ado about nothing.

Would you like Jane Tanner to be prosecuted for breaking the judicial secrecy laws when she went on Panorama in November 07? I guess your answer is NO. Best drop it already and its  off topic.

[Redblossom]

One can't eliminate the presents of an abductor (forensic evidence) because of the contaminated crime scene but one can eliminate the presents of cadaver/death because there is no forensic evidence to support the dog alerts.

And that is where you are wrong. There are no forensic tests in existence to corroborate a cadaver dogs alert to remnant scent.The blood dog can add information, ie that there is blood, in the same spot and it could be blood and a death,but this is as far as dog intelligence can go. Taken together, the two dog alerts can signify the presence of the remnant scent of a dead body which has been removed and the presence of blood or, seeing as Eddie could alert to blood also, proof of blood in a spot. You see, you just cannot eliminate the possibility of remnant body scent, as the blood dog failed to find blood in several places that the cadaver dog had alerted and that blood dog is never wrong.

You have to ask yourself why the Mccanns went out of their way to trash the dogs from day one until Kates book writing rubbish about them

[Redblossom]

Lets exam this 'Judge gave Amarals thesis equal status' malarkey. It seems that some people use selective quotes to try prove a point when they forget that those selected statements read in context doesn't necessarily carry the same meaning as what the person using the out of context statements are claiming.

We have the case of a missing child and then we have the issue of the book that was written on the case.

The judges comment stems from the court case in which Amaral was being sued for libel; his theory that the parents are responsible for Madeleine’s death and concealment of her body.

The entire 'tone' of the court proceedings was to establish if Amaral had the right to express his views, which is not the same as determining whether his theory was correct. That was clearly demonstrated by the so called facts he stated in the book which were contrary to the facts in the police files. Take the interpretation of the forensic reports as an example.

The court case was based on whether Amaral had the right to freely express his opinion. And whether that freedom overruled the right of the McCann's being libelled.

The difficulty lies in the fact that the Portuguese and English (UK) law differ in their approach to libel laws. While you can’t publish the book in the UK because it breaches libel laws, it is allowed in Portugal under freedom of expression where it seems libel takes second place to an individual’s right to have ones reputation protected against harm. In other words being called or indirectly labelled a child murderer without evidence, which would stand up in a court of law, harms ones reputation.

Taking into context the reason for court case against Amarals book, it is clear that the judges expressed their ruling on the basis that Amaral had as much right to state his theory as did the Attorney General or any other whose professional view WAS based on fact; ruling not based on factual correctness of the theory but the right to express himself. The equality demonstrated on grounds of right of expression and not any other grounds.

In summary: The judge made a ruling on the issue of Amaral being able to exercise his right of expression/freedom of expression, but this DOES NOT VALIDATE THE CONTENT of the theory but mealy the principle that he was allowed to express that theory. In this context (as it was implied in the first instance). The expression/the right to voice his theory carried as much weights as any other, but it does not imply that the contents of that theory is correct or has any equal weight to any other.     

Conclusion: It is therefore incorrect to claim the judges said Amarals theory holds as much weight as any others.


 

If your argument is correct,re the judges weighing on the side of freedom of expression only,and they unbanned his book, then why on earth is a libel trial going ahead? When it failed in the first instance?On what basis?
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Oh and Albertini, the Mccans and friends were vehemently OPPOSED to going back to Portugal for a reconstruction,EVER, various pathetic reasons. Kates was it would be too emotional, jane was she was terrified reliving it, etc..the rest said I am too busy or too angry, its evident  they were not interested in any way shape or form despite saying they would do anything

[sadie]

Red

How often are we going to be going over this?


The Mccanns wanted a reconstruction in the early days, but Amaral refused for some reason.

Then came that fateful Arguido meeting in Portimao where Amaral falsely accused Gerry of having carried Madeleines body in their hire car, saying falsely that Eddie had proved it.

Gery knew this was a downright lie, because he knew she had been abducted.  That there was no body and he KNEW she hadn't been carried in the car.  He realsed that they were being set up.

They had been warned about being set up earlier by Leonor Ciprianos partner Leandro ... and also probably by the British Consul/ Embassy who would know about Leonor being set up, and also more pertinently, about Michael Cook.  How he had been set up against all the evidence and spent, (was it?)16 years smoldering in a PT jail, for an offence he didn't do.


They knew that the purpose of this "reconstruction" was not to find Madeleine but to set them up.  THe Tapas group also knew that.

Thank goodness they never returned whilst Amaral was in charge !!


For anyone who is reading and doesn't know, Amaral. in his book, claimed that the day after the abduction he had already decided that it was not an abduction.    No reasons !  Jeez !

[stephen25000]

Red

How often are we going to be going over this?


The Mccanns wanted a reconstruction in the early days, but Amaral refused for some reason.

Then came that fateful Arguido meeting in Portimao where Amaral falsely accused Gerry of having carried Madeleines body in their hire car, saying falsely that Eddie had proved it.

Gery knew this was a downright lie, because he knew she had been abducted.  That there was no body and he KNEW she hadn't been carried in the car.  He realsed that they were being set up.

They had been warned about being set up earlier by Leonor Ciprianos partner Leandro ... and also probably by the British Consul/ Embassy who would know about Leonor being set up, and also more pertinently, about Michael Cook.  How he had been set up against all the evidence and spent, (was it?)16 years smoldering in a PT jail, for an offence he didn't do.


They knew that the purpose of this "reconstruction" was not to find Madeleine but to set them up.  THe Tapas group also knew that.

Thank goodness they never returned whilst Amaral was in charge !!


For anyone who is reading and doesn't know, Amaral. in his book, claimed that the day after the abduction he had already decided that it was not an abduction.    No reasons !  Jeez !

More fantasies yet again of being set up.

Pure fantasies.    8-)(--) 8-)(--)

[faithlilly]

Red

How often are we going to be going over this?


The Mccanns wanted a reconstruction in the early days, but Amaral refused for some reason.

Then came that fateful Arguido meeting in Portimao where Amaral falsely accused Gerry of having carried Madeleines body in their hire car, saying falsely that Eddie had proved it.

Gery knew this was a downright lie, because he knew she had been abducted.  That there was no body and he KNEW she hadn't been carried in the car.  He realsed that they were being set up.

They had been warned about being set up earlier by Leonor Ciprianos partner Leandro ... and also probably by the British Consul/ Embassy who would know about Leonor being set up, and also more pertinently, about Michael Cook.  How he had been set up against all the evidence and spent, (was it?)16 years smoldering in a PT jail, for an offence he didn't do.


They knew that the purpose of this "reconstruction" was not to find Madeleine but to set them up.  THe Tapas group also knew that.

Thank goodness they never returned whilst Amaral was in charge !!


For anyone who is reading and doesn't know, Amaral. in his book, claimed that the day after the abduction he had already decided that it was not an abduction.    No reasons !  Jeez !

Let's hope you feel the same way sadie when witnesses won't cooperate with SY because of their record with regard to 'fitting' people up.

[sadie]

Let's hope you feel the same way sadie when witnesses won't cooperate with SY because of their record with regard to 'fitting' people up.

I have never seen anything so blattent as Faro / Portimao PJ

To mention just a few:

Michael Cook
Leonor Cipriano
Joao Cipriano
Jacintha Rees

then the ?deliberate ignoring of the abductions of:
Carolina Santos
Rene Hasse


All these in just one corner of PT, The Algarve

With a miniscule population when related to the whole of the UK.

Get your relative " police-fit-up-crime proportions " right, Faith



And in the British case, faults are re-examined.

Give me some examples of that happening in PT
 

[John]

For anyone who is reading and doesn't know, Amaral. in his book, claimed that the day after the abduction he had already decided that it was not an abduction.    No reasons !  Jeez !

Yes that is very true but not just Señor Amaral thought that.  The evidence should you choose to believe it was stacking up even after 24 hours.

[sadie]

Yes that is very true but not just Señor Amaral thought that.  The evidence should you choose to believe it was stacking up even after 24 hours.

Care to specify what evidence, John?

[stephen25000]

Now who said this ?


"One good thing to come out of all of this is that there is so much in the press, nobody knows what is true, and what isn't."

[Rachel Granada]

Yes that is very true but not just Señor Amaral thought that.  The evidence should you choose to believe it was stacking up even after 24 hours.

Could you elaborate on that John, what evidence are you referring to?

[John]

I am talking about the reasons why Señor Amaral and his colleagues considered the McCanns as suspects as early as the day after Madeleine's disappearance.   These include the very obvious inconsistences in the original statements, the early forensics which indicated that no-one had climbed into or out of the childrens bedroom through the window and Kates reticence when asked to return to Portimão when photos of a girl matching Madeleine's description were retrieved from CCTV cameras at a service station on the motorway which links Lagos with the Spanish border.

Their suspicions were also raised when they realised that the British Press had been informed before the Portuguese Police resulting in a situation whereby the police were finding it increasingly difficult to do their work.  They were in fact being thwarted in their investigative work and experienced an ever increasing political interference as time went by.

[Rachel Granada]

I am talking about the reasons why Señor Amaral and his colleagues considered the McCanns as suspects as early as the day after Madeleine's disappearance.   These include the very obvious inconsistences in the original statements, the early forensics which indicated that no-one had climbed into or out of the childrens bedroom through the window and Kates reticence when asked to return to Portimão when photos of a girl matching Madeleine's description were retrieved from CCTV cameras at a service station on the motorway which links Lagos with the Spanish border.

Their suspicions were also raised when they realised that the British Press had been informed before the Portuguese Police resulting in a situation whereby the police were finding it increasingly difficult to do their work.

John, none of what you are saying happened within 24 hours after Madeleine's disappearance? And I'm sorry but what you say about the British Press being informed before the PT police is just not true.

[John]

John, none of what you are saying happened within 24 hours after Madeleine's disappearance? And I'm sorry but what you say about the British Press being informed before the PT police is just not true.

This all happened the following day ie Friday 4th May.  Call it 30 hours if you like!

Are you denying that Sky News and the BBC had the story even before the PJ had been informed?