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Redblossom

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Re: The archiving report ...
« Reply #90 on: August 01, 2013, 05:20:35 PM »
I have never seen anything so blattent as Faro / Portimao PJ

To mention just a few:

Michael Cook
Leonor Cipriano
Joao Cipriano
Jacintha Rees

then the ?deliberate ignoring of the abductions of:
Carolina Santos
Rene Hasse


All these in just one corner of PT, The Algarve

With a miniscule population when related to the whole of the UK.

Get your relative " police-fit-up-crime proportions " right, Faith



And in the British case, faults are re-examined.

Give me some examples of that happening in PT

Carolina Santos was not abducted, there wasnt even an attempted one, told you this before!

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« Reply #91 on: August 01, 2013, 05:23:29 PM »
This all happened the following day ie Friday 4th May.  Call it 30 hours if you like!

Are you denying that Sky News and the BBC had the story even before the PJ had been informed?

The Sky News  business is completely untrue and was debunked a long time ago.  I'm surprised at you, John, for regurgitating such falsehoods.

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« Reply #92 on: August 01, 2013, 05:26:06 PM »
I am talking about the reasons why Señor Amaral and his colleagues considered the McCanns as suspects as early as the day after Madeleine's disappearance.   These include the very obvious inconsistences in the original statements, the early forensics which indicated that no-one had climbed into or out of the childrens bedroom through the window and Kates reticence when asked to return to Portimão when photos of a girl matching Madeleine's description were retrieved from CCTV cameras at a service station on the motorway which links Lagos with the Spanish border.

Their suspicions were also raised when they realised that the British Press had been informed before the Portuguese Police resulting in a situation whereby the police were finding it increasingly difficult to do their work.  They were in fact being thwarted in their investigative work and experienced an ever increasing political interference as time went by.

I'm not sure what you are basing that on John.  Below are Kate's and Amarals description of that event.     .

Which version  would you say was the most likely  - considering this was the day after Madeleine had been abducted  - and also considering that Amaral has never met them or spoken to them in his life.   

From Kates book

It was seven thirty by the time one of the PJ officers drove us away from the polilce station.  Angela Morado came with us.   Ten or fifteen minutes into our journey the police officer had a call from his station.  He said something to Angela, who explained that he'd been ordered to return us to the police station straight away.  He wasn't allowed to tell us why.  Already driving at quite a scary speed, he suddenly swung the car into a U turn, floored the accelerator and drove us at a life-threatening 120mph plus back towards Portimao.  I cannot overstate how terrifying this was.  Had Madeleline been found?  Please God. Was she alive? Was she dead?  Gerry and I clung on to each other for dear life.  I was crying hysterically and praying for all I was worth. 
 
Back at the police station we endured at least another ten minutes of torture in the waiting area before somebody showed us a photograh,clearly taken from CCTV, of a blond child with a woman in a petrol-station shop.  We weren't told anything about this, just asked whether the little girl was Madeleine. .  She wasn't.  And that was that.  Again we were sent on our way, utterly devastated.

From Amarals book

FIRST EYE WITNESS STATEMENTS; KATE HEALY'S SURPRISING REACTION

Madeleine's parents are already back in Vila da Luz when we receive photos taken on an area of the motorway: you can make out the figure of a little girl, who looks like Madeleine, accompanied by a couple. These images come from a CCTV camera on the motorway linking Lagos to the Spanish border. The McCanns are asked to come to Portimao in order to proceed to an identification. It's the end of the day. Kate Healy seems annoyed at coming back and made uncomfortable by the speed of the police car taking her. We are somewhat astonished by her reaction, as if she was not expecting to get her daughter back. The identification turns out negative.

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IMO opinion in those circumstances  - to call them back like that with no explanation, even if it was unintentional, bordered on the sadistic.
   





The notion that innocence prevails over guilt – when there is no evidence to the contrary – is what separates civilization from barbarism.    Unfortunately, there are remains of barbarism among us.    Until very recently, it headed the PJ in Portimão. I hope he was the last one.
                                               Henrique Monteiro, chief editor, Expresso, Portugal

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Re: The archiving report ...
« Reply #93 on: August 01, 2013, 05:32:41 PM »
Carolina Santos was not abducted, there wasnt even an attempted one, told you this before!
Yes she was, but it was frustrated by her parents seeing the abductor walking her away.

Redblossom

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« Reply #94 on: August 01, 2013, 05:37:49 PM »
Yes she was, but it was frustrated by her parents seeing the baductor walking her away.

According to who?

Read some facts here, May 2007, NOT December 2006, best stick to PT broadsheets than Brit redtops

http://steelmagnolia-steelmagnolia.blogspot.co.uk/2011/12/mccann-propaganda.html
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Re: The archiving report ...
« Reply #95 on: August 01, 2013, 05:47:42 PM »
Steel Magnolia?

You have to be joking

Redblossom

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« Reply #96 on: August 01, 2013, 05:51:12 PM »
Steel Magnolia?

You have to joking

the message dear not the messenger, now what is your source

Redblossom

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« Reply #97 on: August 01, 2013, 06:11:46 PM »
The Sky News  business is completely untrue and was debunked a long time ago.  I'm surprised at you, John, for regurgitating such falsehoods.

BBC were called around midnight, before Pj arrived werent they?

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« Reply #98 on: August 01, 2013, 07:23:34 PM »
I am talking about the reasons why Señor Amaral and his colleagues considered the McCanns as suspects as early as the day after Madeleine's disappearance.   These include the very obvious inconsistences in the original statements, the early forensics which indicated that no-one had climbed into or out of the childrens bedroom through the window and Kates reticence when asked to return to Portimão when photos of a girl matching Madeleine's description were retrieved from CCTV cameras at a service station on the motorway which links Lagos with the Spanish border.

Their suspicions were also raised when they realised that the British Press had been informed before the Portuguese Police resulting in a situation whereby the police were finding it increasingly difficult to do their work.  They were in fact being thwarted in their investigative work and experienced an ever increasing political interference as time went by.

You are wrong, John.

Amaral concidered them suspects, on the 4th May.

He was in a bar when he had a phone call at midnight. He went home, and to bed.
He hadn't been into work, and no statements had been taken, when he said.

Friday May 4th

This morning I am worried; something isn't right in the account of the events: the little girl allegedly disappeared at 10pm while she was sleeping close to her brother and her sister. They were alone in the apartment because their parents were dining with friends. A system of checks had been put in place by the adults. Every 30 minutes according to some - every quarter of an hour according to others -, someone went to have a look at the children. It is Madeleine's mother who realised she was gone and is immediately talking about abduction.

We need information about the parents and their friends, to know who they are, what they do, if they have problems in their country, if the children were victims of abuse, if the family, neighbours, friends could have noticed any suspicious behaviour, what are their jobs, if they work full-time, etc. Is any member of their family depressed or suffered from depression in the past? Do the couple maintain good relationships? Are they implicated in serious litigation? Do they have enemies? For what reason? So, I telephone Glen Powers, the English liaison officer in Portugal, inform him of events and request that he relay our requests for reports. We consider these to be of the greatest importance and await sensitive responses to guide our investigation.

While I am on the phone and my daughters are sleeping, Sofia makes breakfast for me. She is quiet and regards me with a questioning look, as if she suspects that from today, she won't see much of me. It's not the first time this has happened: she knew that I wouldn't count my time in a case like this.

FIRST INTERROGATIONS AND REQUESTS TO THE BRITISH POLICE FOR INFORMATION
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Re: The archiving report ...
« Reply #99 on: August 01, 2013, 07:31:59 PM »
Steel Magnolia?

You have to joking

ROFL!  It's a bit like quoting W. Mitty as a source isn't it!  @)(++(*

Redblossom

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« Reply #100 on: August 01, 2013, 07:35:09 PM »
You are wrong, John.

Amaral concidered them suspects, on the 4th May.

He was in a bar when he had a phone call at midnight. He went home, and to bed.


Any particular reason why are misconstruing facts? Err he had a phone call in a BAR but just went to bed and did nothing? Poor

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ANNOUNCEMENT OF A DISAPPEARANCE: THE FIRST SEVENTY-TWO HOURS
On this evening, May 3rd 2007, I decide to dine at the Carvi Brasserie, in the centre of Portimão, before going home. I have been living for a year in this town, where I lead the Department of Criminal Investigation of the police judiciaire. In 1982, when I was 23 and I had just taken up this career, I had already gone there. There, I had made the acquaintance of someone who was to become my friend, Manuel João. Former local official and sporty, a charismatic person. He always lent a hand to members of the police judiciaire who went to the town for the purposes of an investigation. As an elected local official, he originated the creation of a police judiciaire department in Portimão. Thus, that evening, while savouring fruits de mer, we discuss the problems of Portuguese society.

It is midnight when I receive the news about the disappearance of a little four-year-old English girl. The police officer on call was informed about it by the National Guard of The Republic (GNR) At the time of her disappearance, the little girl was supposed to have been sleeping in an apartment while her parents were dining a hundred metres away. An inspector is sent to the scene immediately to establish the initial facts. A forensic expert assigned to security of the premises will join him. All precautions are taken to preserve possible clues and elements of evidence. I demand to be informed very regularly and, before going home, I call on the police on duty to check that all urgent measures are underway. The head of the Guard has already alerted the police authorities at Faro airport and the control post set up on the Guadiana* bridge.

(*The river on the frontier between Portugal and Spain.)

THE REPORTS LEAVE A LOT TO BE DESIRED
The examination of the premises by the investigator and the representative of the forensic police just after the announcement of the disappearance turns out to be quite unproductive. A concise report, where their observations are written up, is accompanied by numerous photographs taken inside and outside apartment 5A – which don’t give an account of, according to us, everything they could have observed. This error is explained by the absence of procedures in case of a child’s disappearance, notably concerning the actions to be taken when examining the scene.

Lots of people were already in place; however, nobody appeared in the photos. We don’t know, for example, how they were dressed. Such observations can turn out to be important later on. The report mentions that the twins were asleep in their bed, but there is no proof to confirm it; on the contrary, in the photographs, you can see empty cots, where only the mattresses remain – the sheets and blankets having been removed. Why have their beds been stripped? If the sheets had not been removed, traces of their presence could have been found there.

That evening, on arriving home, I see Inès, my younger daughter, who is sleeping close to my wife, Sofia. In silence, in the dim light of the bedroom, I sit on the edge of the bed. Outside, far from her mother’s warmth, a child of the same age is lost. Sofia wakes up and asks me what is happening. I tell her about Madeleine’s disappearance and instinctively, she holds our daughter tightly in her arms and makes room for me.

I make lots of phone calls and send a text message to the director of the Faro Department of Criminal Investigation (DIC): child, English, aged 4, disappeared from a Praia da Luz hotel. It’s sufficient. Reading the message, he will understand the gravity of the situation. Three years before, we had dealt with a similar case, a few kilometres from Praia da Luz. We had not been informed at the time of that disappearance, and we are convinced that if the investigation could have been started immediately we would have been able to discover some physical evidence. The police response is fundamental. The first 72 hours are essential.








Redblossom

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Re: The archiving report ...
« Reply #101 on: August 01, 2013, 07:35:56 PM »
ROFL!  It's a bit like quoting W. Mitty as a source isn't it!  @)(++(*

do YOU have a credible source  then RG? For the story over and above the broadsheets in PT? no use laughing at a link, its the related and pertinent content that should matter to you

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no, didnt think so
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« Reply #102 on: August 01, 2013, 08:06:01 PM »
You are wrong, John.

Amaral considered them suspects, on the 4th May.

Haven't I just said that, various events came together during the 4th May to make him and his detectives even more suspicious of the story being told to them.
 
Whatever his initial view was at breakfast time following the receipt of various reports from his men on the ground his suspicions had by the end of the day firmly increased when he was told of various other events.

It certainly appears that Amaral only considered the abduction claim for a matter of hours.
« Last Edit: August 01, 2013, 08:15:01 PM by John »
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.

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« Reply #103 on: August 01, 2013, 08:18:32 PM »
Haven't I just said that, various events came together during the 4th May to make him and his detectives even more suspicious of the story being told to them.

Are you saying Amaral,  got all that info from the detectives before breakfast. He had made his mind up before any various events came together. He was in court being made an arguido at 6 pm, on the 4th May, so he sure worked fast! IMOOC!
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« Reply #104 on: August 01, 2013, 08:33:29 PM »
Haven't I just said that, various events came together during the 4th May to make him and his detectives even more suspicious of the story being told to them.
 
Whatever his initial view was at breakfast time following the receipt of various reports from his men on the ground his suspicions had by the end of the day firmly increased when he was told of various other events.

It certainly appears that Amaral only considered the abduction claim for a matter of hours.

I think you need to retract your claim that Sky News were called before the police, John,  It is just not true.