Was the crying incident on the Tuesday or the Wednesday?

[faithlilly]

Do posters believe Madeleine and her brother did indeed wake up and cry for their parents on the night of the 2nd ?

[AnneGuedes]

Do posters believe Madeleine and her brother did indeed wake up and cry for their parents on the night of the 2nd ?

A good question ? Rachael heard nothing, she would have, being exactly on the other side of the wall next to Madeleine's head. A very short and soft crying Rachael would have forgotten ?
But why would Madeleine report a few minutes slight crying ? Just to let her parents know she knew they weren't home ? It sounds a bit mature for a just 4 one.
This reported crying is certainly not "Mrs Fenn's" one, as she said it stopped when the sliding door was open. The parents heard it, no need for Madeleine to mention it later.  But this extraordinary crying was denied by the parents. How could they know, since they weren't there ? Did they deny only because this episode implied they weren't checking every 30 minutes ?
From Madeleine in PDL, we have two quotations : "be a monster" and "Why didn't you come...". The first sentence was directed to Mr Oldfield and the second to her mother (but looking her father, according to her mother). Why did they reported it . What relevance could it have ?

[Redblossom]

Odd statement
Apparently Madeleine asked why didnt you come when we were crying?
So crying at the same time it seems. 

The MCcanns wondered when this could be, at bath time? When they were putting them to bed?

Both  those situations would have been at least when they were in the flat before going out, so would have been heard even IF they left the kids alone in the bath or they cried after being put to bed, not DURING those two events, otherwise the Mccanns would remember and would not rack their brains to.

Kate Mccann said if it were between checks and they woke up and cried they would have fallen back asleep quickly, because on their checks they kids were not making any noise. But on the Wednesday, at least according to Tanner their checks were longer in intervals as they went to thebar after the restaraunt and left real late.

She later made a big deal about this possibly / probably meaning an intruder had woken them on a dry run!

If  there was an intruder, I think Madeleine was at an age to say what it was that woke her.

Obviously, there is no evidence this ever happened. Both the crying episode and any intruder practising.

Then we have the discrepancy of Kate Mccann insisting it was a passing remark and unimportant as Madeleine moved on and started playing wih toys and it went completely out of her mind, she never thought about those comments until after the abduction, which has been proven by her three female friends to be untrue.

So, either they woke up and cried themselves back to sleep in the parents absence or it never happened.

But, Rachel would have heard two kids crying IMO if it were when they went out to dinner,but she didnt.

Then  there is the possibility they woke up and cried after the parents came home and they didnt hear them as they had had alot of drink that Wednesday night, ie more than usual.
Who knows!

[faithlilly]

Odd statement
Apparently Madeleine asked why didnt you come when we were crying?
So crying at the same time it seems.

The MCcanns wondered when this could be, at bath time? When they were putting them to bed?

Both  those situations would have been at least when they were in the flat before going out, so would have been heard even IF they left the kids alone in the bath or they cried after being put to bed, not DURING those two events, otherwise the Mccanns would remember and would not rack their brains to.

Kate Mccann said if it were between checks and they woke up and cried they would have fallen back asleep quickly, because on their checks they kids were not making any noise. But on the Wednesday, at least according to Tanner their checks were longer in intervals as they went to thebar after the restaraunt and left real late.

She later made a big deal about this possibly / probably meaning an intruder had woken them on a dry run!

If  there was an intruder, I think Madeleine was at an age to say what it was that woke her.

Obviously, there is no evidence this ever happened. Both the crying episode and any intruder practising.

Then we have the discrepancy of Kate Mccann insisting it was a passing remark and unimportant as Madeleine moved on and started playing wih toys and it went completely out of her mind, she never thought about those comments until after the abduction, which has been proven by her three female friends to be untrue.

So, either they woke up and cried themselves back to sleep in the parents absence or it never happened.

But, Rachel would have heard two kids crying IMO if it were when they went out to dinner,but she didnt.

Then  there is the possibility they woke up and cried after the parents came home and they didnt hear them as they had had alot of drink that Wednesday night, ie more than usual.
Who knows!

As you say Red, who knows !

What is interesting though is that the faithful, usually so quick to answer our enquiries are eerily quiet on this one.

Could that be because there is no easy way to answer it without making themselves or the McCanns seem heartless ?

[Redblossom]

As you say Red, who knows !

What is interesting though is that the faithful, usually so quick to answer our enquiries are eerily quiet on this one.

Could that be because there is no easy way to answer it without making themselves or the McCanns seem heartless ?

Well, theycant make up their minds, Mrs Fenns account couldnt have had anything to do with Madeleine crying,even though she was adamant it was 5a,  and this one probably didnt either because Rachel didnt hear it and neither did  the Mccanns, but they say it was probably intruder who woke them up, go figure


 

[sadie]

Round and round we go.

Stir it up for the Mccanns

This has all been gone over very thoroughly in other threads as you know.



What is wrong with you peeps?

[faithlilly]

Round and round we go.

Stir it up for the Mccanns

This has all been gone over very thoroughly in other threads as you know.



What is wrong with you peeps?

And you still haven't answered the original question sadie.

[faithlilly]

I wonder how you can defend Portugal at the expense of an innocent child?

Madeleine's parents and family are living a life we can only imagine.

Why do you feel the need to add to their misery?

Does it make your life a little more bearable ?

Are you another supporter who isn't willing to answer, what is after all, a very simple question ?

[Redblossom]

This has all been gone over very thoroughly in other threads as you know.

Has it? You can kindly remind readers of any concensus reached then, or even just give your opinion on THIS thread, if its not too much trouble, I mean you are very capable of writing reams and reams on simple questions, we may get a new insight from you

[Redblossom]

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It most likely the Wednesday morning, referring to Tuesdays crying, more evidence for that, whilst no evidence for any Wednesday crying.

I wonder why (according to Jane Rachel and Fiona that is)  Kate Mccann told them at dinner Thursday night  about it though, each in turn, and how it was worrying her, if, as she says, she was not worried about it and forgot about it.
 >@@(*&)

[Mr Moderator]

Gonçalo Amaral looked into this incident and stated in his book that it occurred on Tuesday1st May.

Tuesday May1st

For an hour and a quarter, between 10.30 and 11.45pm, in the apartment where she is in the company of her brother and her sister, Madeleine does not stop crying and calling out for her father. She does not calm down until after her parents return.

www.goncaloamaraltruthofthelie.blogspot.co.uk/2009/06/chapter-2.html?m=1

[sadie]

Has it? You can kindly remind readers of any concensus reached then, or even just give your opinion on THIS thread, if its not too much trouble, I mean you are very capable of writing reams and reams on simple questions, we may get a new insight from you

Upsets you, does it when I prove you wrong?

[sadie]

Gonçalo Amaral looked into this incident and stated in his book that it occurred on Tuesday1st May.

Tuesday May1st

For an hour and a quarter, between 10.30 and 11.45pm, in the apartment where she is in the company of her brother and her sister, Madeleine does not stop crying and calling out for her father. She does not calm down until after her parents return.

www.goncaloamaraltruthofthelie.blogspot.co.uk/2009/06/chapter-2.html?m=1

Thank you Mr Moderator.

Their saint, Amaral has spoken.   

They Will believe him .... even if they disbelieve the Mccanns and the rest of the Brits, on everything .. twist their words ... and continually call them liars.

[AnneGuedes]

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It most likely the Wednesday morning, referring to Tuesdays crying, more evidence for that, whilst no evidence for any Wednesday crying.

I wonder why (according to Jane Rachel and Fiona that is)  Kate Mccann told them at dinner Thursday night  about it though, each in turn, and how it was worrying her, if, as she says, she was not worried about it and forgot about it.
 >@@(*&)

I wonder as well why on that particular Thursday night Mrs McCann had a doubt about leaving open a patio door that had been left open 3 or 4 nights before. It seems she knew there was a chance Madeleine woke up and, getting out of her bed, as she had likely done to check for her parents on Tuesday, would most certainly search for them. The disturbing dilemma then wouldn't have been between leaving the door open because checking was shorter or not, nor between leaving the door open to avoid a trap in case of fire or not, but between leaving open a door that allowed Madeleine to get out in search of them vs closing that door and confronting Madeleine to the reality of being locked alone in a strange place.

[Redblossom]

Upsets you, does it when I prove you wrong?

Sorry? when did that happen here? You still have not offered your view on this thread, why not?