Was the crying incident on the Tuesday or the Wednesday?

[Redblossom]

I wonder as well why on that particular Thursday night Mrs McCann had a doubt about leaving open a patio door that had been left open 3 or 4 nights before. It seems she knew there was a chance Madeleine woke up and, getting out of her bed, as she had likely done to check for her parents on Tuesday, would most certainly search for them. The disturbing dilemma then wouldn't have been between leaving the door open because checking was shorter or not, nor between leaving the door open to avoid a trap in case of fire or not, but between leaving open a door that allowed Madeleine to get out in search of them vs closing that door and confronting Madeleine to the reality of being locked alone in a strange place.

Quite

[Benice]

Gonçalo Amaral looked into this incident and stated in his book that it occurred on Tuesday1st May.

Tuesday May1st

For an hour and a quarter, between 10.30 and 11.45pm, in the apartment where she is in the company of her brother and her sister, Madeleine does not stop crying and calling out for her father. She does not calm down until after her parents return.

www.goncaloamaraltruthofthelie.blogspot.co.uk/2009/06/chapter-2.html?m=1

Here is the rest of Amaral's description of that incident from his book:- (my comments in blue)

For an hour and a quarter, between 10.30 and 11.45pm, in the apartment where she is in the company of her brother and her sister, Madeleine does not stop crying and calling out for her father. She does not calm down until after her parents return.  Not true - Mrs. Fenn did not name Madeleine.

Wednesday May 2nd
At breakfast, Madeleine asks her parents why they left her to cry the night before, and did not come back immediately. Another lie - this time by omission.    Amaral changes what Madeleine said by craftily leaving out Sean's name.  This is to make it tie in with Mrs. Fenn saying she only heard ONE child crying.

The date of 2nd May is a downright lie - Madeleine spoke to her parents on 3rd May.   Amaral has changed the date to make it look as if it was the following morning after Mrs. Fenn heard a child crying that Madeleine asked the question.
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And people reckon his book was based on information from the files?  Unbelievable!







 

[Redblossom]

Mrs  Fenn did not need to name the child Benice plus she was adamant it came from the flat directly below hers, so not a bad supposition!
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She states that on the day of the 1st May 2007, when she was at home alone, at approximately 22H30 she heard a child cry, and that due the tone of the crying seemed to be a young child and not a baby of two years of age or younger.
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Oh and its interesting that for you Mr Amaral could not have made a mistake or misunderstood but deliberately lied, but of course the Mccanns never ever were guilty of the same, well, its been proven they havebeen

Chow for now, hogging the board

[AnneGuedes]

The date of 2nd May is a downright lie - Madeleine spoke to her parents on 3rd May.   Amaral has changed the date to make it look as if it was the following morning after Mrs. Fenn heard a child crying that Madeleine asked the question.
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And people reckon his book was based on information from the files?  Unbelievable!

The McCanns claimed Madeleine asked them on the 3rd why they didn't come. Was it true ? They didn't know whether Madeleine had gone sailing on Wednesday or on Thursday... They curiously never had the curiosity to find out when Madeleine had cried.
There's no evidence of her crying in the Wednesday night, Rachael didn't hear her. But there's evidence a child who wasn't a toddler cried in that flat on Tuesday. So when Mr Amaral suggests Madeleine said she cried on the 3rd it seems more plausible. It appears more plausible to all of us. Or not ?

[Benice]

The McCanns claimed Madeleine asked them on the 3rd why they didn't come. Was it true ? They didn't know whether Madeleine had gone sailing on Wednesday or on Thursday... They curiously never had the curiosity to find out when Madeleine had cried.
There's no evidence of her crying in the Wednesday night, Rachael didn't hear her. But there's evidence a child who wasn't a toddler cried in that flat on Tuesday. So when Mr Amaral suggests Madeleine said she cried on the 3rd it seems more plausible. It appears more plausible to all of us. Or not ?

 It was on the morning of the 3rd when Madeleine spoke to her mum  -  and it was at dinner on the evening of the 3rd when Kate mentioned it to the others.   IMO as well as deliberately lying about the date to suit his story Amaral also deliberately left out Sean's name to overcome the problem he had of Mrs Fenn only hearing ONE child - when Madeleine had said she AND Sean had cried i.e. TWO children.    What other reason would he have for making that omission?

His version bears no resemblance to the files.

     

[Redblossom]

It was on the morning of the 3rd when Madeleine spoke to her mum  -  and it was at dinner on the evening of the 3rd when Kate mentioned it to the others.   IMO as well as deliberately lying about the date to suit his story Amaral also deliberately left out Sean's name to overcome the problem he had of Mrs Fenn only hearing ONE child - when Madeleine had said she AND Sean had cried i.e. TWO children.    What other reason would he have for making that omission?

His version bears no resemblance to the files.

   

And kate mcccan says she never thought about it until after the abduction LOL So why Benice did she mention it to her girlfriends????

Listen to her from 1 min

[AnneGuedes]

It was on the morning of the 3rd when Madeleine spoke to her mum  -  and it was at dinner on the evening of the 3rd when Kate mentioned it to the others.   IMO as well as deliberately lying about the date to suit his story Amaral also deliberately left out Sean's name to overcome the problem he had of Mrs Fenn only hearing ONE child - when Madeleine had said she AND Sean had cried i.e. TWO children.    What other reason would he have for making that omission?

His version bears no resemblance to the files.

   

Benice, you do have the believers' syndrome. Your starting point is a pure belief that you treat like truth.
Yes, on the 3rd of May evening Mrs McCann told her companions Madeleine had asked on the third of May morning where they were when she and her brother cried. This is an established fact.
No, Mrs McCann didn't say which day/time Madeleine was referring to. She only mentioned bathtime, which is ridiculous. Madeleine wouldn't have waited so long to ask.
No, there's no evidence of Madeleine asking her parents on that morning. Spreading "Madeleine asked", instead of spreading "Her parents say she..." is starting a myth.

[Benice]

And kate mcccan says she never thought about it until after the abduction LOL

IMO that's Nitpicking Red.    It's quite obvious that she meant  that if Madeleine had not been abducted it would simply have been forgotten about because it would had had no significance - and so she would have had no reason to wonder about it after that day.   

[Redblossom]

IMO that's Nitpicking Red.    It's quite obvious that she meant  that if Madeleine had not been abducted it would simply have been forgotten about because it would had had no significance - and so she would have had no reason to wonder about it after that day.

Doh

Thats what she said but its not what she actualy  did say to her mates   that night BEFORE the alledged abduction, do keep up dear your boring me to sleep

Do watch the video and then read the rogatories, they clash, nite now

[DCI]

IMO that's Nitpicking Red.    It's quite obvious that she meant  that if Madeleine had not been abducted it would simply have been forgotten about because it would had had no significance - and so she would have had no reason to wonder about it after that day.

Kate needn't have mentioned it at all, but she did, thinking it could have been relevant to the case.
Didn't Mrs Fenn deny ever saying it, on video?

[AnneGuedes]

IMO that's Nitpicking Red.    It's quite obvious that she meant  that if Madeleine had not been abducted it would simply have been forgotten about because it would had had no significance - and so she would have had no reason to wonder about it after that day.

And you agree with that ? A little girl clearly lets her mum know she has discovered she was alone at night and her mum "has no reason to wonder about it" ?

[Redblossom]

IMO that's Nitpicking Red.    It's quite obvious that she meant  that if Madeleine had not been abducted it would simply have been forgotten about because it would had had no significance - and so she would have had no reason to wonder about it after that day.

Keep up Benice, she  wondered about it BEFORE thw abduction Sheesh, give up LOL
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[Redblossom]

Kate needn't have mentioned it at all, but she did, thinking it could have been relevant to the case.
Didn't Mrs Fenn deny ever saying it, on video?

You too are ignoring the issue LOL


Im sure  you know what it is LOL

Oh dear never mind ey???

[Benice]

Benice, you do have the believers' syndrome. Your starting point is a pure belief that you treat like truth.
Yes, on the 3rd of May evening Mrs McCann told her companions Madeleine had asked on the third of May morning where they were when she and her brother cried. This is an established fact.
No, Mrs McCann didn't say which day/time Madeleine was referring to. She only mentioned bathtime, which is ridiculous. Madeleine wouldn't have waited so long to ask.
No, there's no evidence of Madeleine asking her parents on that morning. Spreading "Madeleine asked", instead of spreading "Her parents say she..." is starting a myth.

The evidence that Madeleine asked her mother on the morning of the 3rd and not the 2nd is in the files.  To dispute that you have to claim that KM and her friends all lied.    IMO that's just an easy 'get out' when faced with unpalatable facts.     The clear evidence that Amaral lied in his book doesn't suit you and so you simply claim Kate lied - and that's problem solved as far as you are concerned.     

We are talking about Amaral claiming that it was on the morning of the 2nd May that Madeleine spoke to her mother.   He did that because that was the next morning after Mrs Fenn heard a child crying - and so the reader would be more likely to believe it was Madeleine she heard.  There is no proof that it was Madeleine in the files.   He deliberately lied to hoodwink his readers.    Why are you trying to excuse that?

IMO it is you who is trying the create a myth here.


 

[Benice]

Kate needn't have mentioned it at all, but she did, thinking it could have been relevant to the case.
Didn't Mrs Fenn deny ever saying it, on video?

I agree.   They volunteered that information even though it put them in a bad light.     This is one of the reasons why I believe they are not liars, because if they had wanted to let the PJ know that Madeleine had said something which could have meant the abductor had been in the night before, then they could have easily lied and said  ''Madeleine told us she had a nasty dream about a man in her room.'  or made up other stories which did not put them in a bad light.    But they didn't.