Not so Rosy a relationship between the PJ and SY after all?

[DCI]

Mark Williams-Thomas' own theory on the abduction was rubbished quite some time ago so I wouldn't be surprised if there was some point scoring going on here.  I will also point out that his involvement in the last Bamber documentary for ITV was amateurish and included the false claim that Sheila shot the family with a shotgun.

Scotland Yard will find it extremely difficult to muster any cooperation with the rank and file among the PJ and the GNR.  They have long memories of what happened and indeed is happening to Señor Amaral.

I fear that as far as the ordinary copper on the ground in Portugal is concerned the Madeleine case is long dead!

Do you believe that John. I don't, All who backed Amaral have gone, went pretty swiftly after him. They all thought so much of Amaral, not one turned up to say goodbye to him. What does that tell you?

[Carana]

Remember the Paulo Reis email, where he said, " there was no forensic's in the car, and it was just bait, and journalists, swallowed it.

Sandra F apparently said something similar on a chat show, although someone who was usually quick to translate never found time to translate that one.

[John]

Do you believe that John. I don't, All who backed Amaral have gone, went pretty swiftly after him. They all thought so much of Amaral, not one turned up to say goodbye to him. What does that tell you?

It tells me his real pals were already in the pub waiting for him.

[Eleanor]

Of course they won't refuse, Eleanor. How bad it would make them look, if they did?

It is a bit complex, DCI because they can't be absolutely sure of the nationality or country of residence of the persons who might have been involved.  If they get the legal aspect wrong this could result in an aborted Trial.  I thought everybody knew that by now.

Not under any circumstances will Portugal refuse.  The team in Portugal who are now in charge are just about the best that Portugal has got.  And they do have some good ones.
I now have high hopes that at the very least they will find out how Madeleine was abducted.  Where she was taken might be a bit more difficult.  But I shall go on hoping that they find her.

[Eleanor]

The ordinary coppers aren't important anymore.  The new Portuguese team have all of The Files just as Scotland Yard do.

[sadie]

It tells me his real pals were already in the pub waiting for him.

 
No they weren't John

His wife put it in writing in a complaining letter that his colleagues ignored him when he left.

[Rachel Granada]

The ordinary coppers aren't important anymore.  The new Portuguese team have all of The Files just as Scotland Yard do.

You've just reminded me Eleanor, wasn't there a PT review team under a lady called Helena Monteiro set up a couple of years ago? I wonder if that PT team is still going?

[Eleanor]

It tells me his real pals were already in the pub waiting for him.

Ashamed to be seen with him, were they?

[Eleanor]

You've just reminded me Eleanor, wasn't there a PT review team under a lady called Helena Monteiro set up a couple of years ago? I wonder if that PT team is still going?

Yes there was such a team under Helen Monteiro, and almost certainly the same team now.  Portugal would hardly have wasted her time if they were going to ignore what she was doing.
And she most certainly won't have been trying to prove what a great PJ Detective Goncalo Amaral was.

[Rachel Granada]

Yes there was such a team under Helen Monteiro, and almost certainly the same team now.  Portugal would hardly have wasted her time if they were going to ignore what she was doing.
And she most certainly won't have been trying to prove what a great PJ Detective Goncalo Amaral was.

Thanks, Eleanor - I just suddenly remembered about Ms Monteiro and the PT team.  As for Amaral, I seem to remember hin saying that "the affair wasn't going well for the McCanns", not sure whether he was referring to the review by Ms Monteiro and Co, or the SY review.

Looks like he got that wrong as well! 

[stephen25000]

Some wonder why the Portuguese are not conducive with dealing with the UK government or SY.

All you have to do is read comments by some posters on this thread.

 

[Eleanor]

Thanks, Eleanor - I just suddenly remembered about Ms Monteiro and the PT team.  As for Amaral, I seem to remember hin saying that "the affair wasn't going well for the McCanns", not sure whether he was referring to the review by Ms Monteiro and Co, or the SY review.

Looks like he got that wrong as well! 

That must have been some time ago, when Amaral said that.  And how would he know anyway?  No Portuguese Investigation Team will have told him anything, not with his history of leaking lies.
And of course, he more than proved that point by leaking more lies.

The Team told him, did they?  Sorry, I don't believe him.

[Rachel Granada]

That must have been some time ago, when Amaral said that.  And how would he know anyway?  No Portuguese Investigation Team will have told him anything, not with his history of leaking lies.
And of course, he more than proved that point by leaking more lies.

The Team told him, did they?  Sorry, I don't believe him.

I seem to remember that I read it a couple of years ago possibly on the Morais blog.  I will see if I can come up with a link. 

What you said about "how would he know" is a good point, I very much doubt that Ms Monteiro and the team would have told Amaral anything. 

[Eleanor]

I seem to remember that I read it a couple of years ago possibly on the Morais blog.  I will see if I can come up with a link. 

What you said about "how would he know" is a good point, I very much doubt that Ms Monteiro and the team would have told Amaral anything.

I read it as well, so Amaral was certainly reported to have said it.  And of course, his supporters did believe it.
Sadly, many people have got the impression that all of The PJ is at least stupid, if not actually corrupt, when it was very likely only a small pocket, most of whom appear to have been associated with Goncalo Amaral on The Algarve.  And some of whom have since moved elsewhere, or left The PJ altogether.
There is no doubt in my mind that there was something very sick going on on The Algarve.

[Rachel Granada]

I read it as well, so Amaral was certainly reported to have said it.  And of course, his supporters did believe it.
Sadly, many people have got the impression that all of The PJ is at least stupid, if not actually corrupt, when it was very likely only a small pocket, most of whom appear to have been associated with Goncalo Amaral on The Algarve.  And some of whom have since moved elsewhere, or left The PJ altogether.
There is no doubt in my mind that there was something very sick going on on The Algarve.

I have every confidence that the rank and file PJ officers were decent, hardworking people who did their very best.  It's just a shame that the head honchos were corrupt liars.