Not so Rosy a relationship between the PJ and SY after all?

[Benice]

I have every confidence that the rank and file PJ officers were decent, hardworking people who did their very best.  It's just a shame that the head honchos were corrupt liars.

I agree.  And it was an even bigger shame for Madeleine imo.   What chance did she stand with two criminals in charge of her case - one a liar and the other a torturer.   Sheez!

[Eleanor]

I have every confidence that the rank and file PJ officers were decent, hardworking people who did their very best.  It's just a shame that the head honchos were corrupt liars.

But the damage those few did is incalculable, and not just to Madeleine.  They have brought the whole of Portugal into disrepute.  And eventually, many more cases are going to have to be looked into.

[Rachel Granada]

I agree.  And it was an even bigger shame for Madeleine imo.   What chance did she stand with two criminals in charge of her case - one a liar and the other a torturer.   Sheez!

I just feel like crying when I think about it.  A lot of very dedicated and hardworking officers let down, and Madeleine and family, let down by the rotten apples at the top. 

[Redblossom]

This  thread is about scotland yard,and its position in PT as an investigative force or other,  not an i hate amaral one, feel free to start one though instead of infestating this one

[Rachel Granada]

But the damage those few did is incalculable, and not just to Madeleine.  They have brought the whole of Portugal into disrepute.  And eventually, many more cases are going to have to be looked into.

Where do we start Eleanor.  Such a shame for the hardworking rank and file who did their best. Let down and spoiled by a few rotten apples at the top.

I think about the Jacinta Rees case and I want to cry how must Jacinta's family feel.  And that is only the start. 

[stephen25000]

This  thread is about scotland yard,and its position in PT as an investigative force or other,  not an i hate amaral one, feel free to start one though instead of infestating this one

Unfortunately Redblossom, they can't get beyond their obvious hatred of Amaral, for daring to suggest the Mccanns covered up what really happened to Madeleine.

The fact that the PJ en masse thought the same thing as do many other people seems beyond their comprehension.

The Portuguese people have been ridiculed and subjected to loathsome xenophobia which has rarely been equaled.

Imagine how the British would respond if the situation was reversed ?

Also, why should the Portuguese people still continue to pay out for the Mccanns negligence of their children, when they have singularly paid nothing themselves, and likewise, why the UK taxpayer continue to pay for this pair ?

[Eleanor]

Where do we start Eleanor.  Such a shame for the hardworking rank and file who did their best. Let down and spoiled by a few rotten apples at the top.

I think about the Jacinta Rees case and I want to cry how must Jacinta's family feel.  And that is only the start.

I don't know where they could start, Rachel.  But let's not get too keen on just blaming Amaral and Co.  Are we supposed to believe that the rest of The PJ didn't know what was going on?  Are we supposed to believe that they were all fine and dandy with The Cipriano Case when there were six arguidos from The PJ involved in her torture?  Of course they knew.
For God's sake. even passing Portuguese poster knew.

So I wouldn't be at all surprised if Scotland Yard are wary.  Not Rosy?  I shouldn't think so.

[Redblossom]

Unfortunately Redblossom, they can't get beyond their obvious hatred of Amaral, for daring to suggest the Mccanns covered up what really happened to Madeleine.

The fact that the PJ en masse thought the same thing as do many other people seems beyond their comprehension.

The Portuguese people have been ridiculed and subjected to loathsome xenophobia which has rarely been equaled.

Imagine how the British would respond if the situation was reversed ?

Also, why should the Portuguese people still continue to pay out for the Mccanns negligence of their children, when they have singularly paid nothing themselves, and likewise, why the UK taxpayer continue to pay for this pair ?

I know, its pathetic and peurile at best.  Re the cost, mind you,  IF SY achieve a result it will  have been  worth the money, will they? Time will tell. mind you pj must be laughing at *hundreds of leads*

[DCI]

I seem to remember that I read it a couple of years ago possibly on the Morais blog.  I will see if I can come up with a link. 

What you said about "how would he know" is a good point, I very much doubt that Ms Monteiro and the team would have told Amaral anything.

Here you go, Rachel.

"I suspect that my books were destroyed" O Crime (paper edition, pages 12 & 13)

Interview by Carlos Saraiva [Director of "O Crime"]
Thursday, March 1, 2012
With thanks to Joana Morais for translation

- Extract -

As you well know, the Prime Minister David Cameron, has ordered a re-evaluation of the investigation in England regarding Maddie's disappearance. How do you assess that decision, admitting that the English will hardly have access to the investigation in Portugal?

The decision of that Prime Minister has been twisted. The McCann couple has spoken of a re-examination of the child's "sightings". When, in fact, what is known is that Scotland Yard, who were appointed to re-evaluate the whole investigation, has set aside the pseudo-sightings, focusing instead on the investigation process that remains archived. Elements from Scotland Yard have been working with an investigative [Judiciary Police] team from Oporto (Oporto because Algarve and Lisbon has already been involved), and what is known is that the "affair" is not going well for the McCanns.

http://www.mccannfiles.com/id409.html

[Eleanor]

So Amaral believed that his remaining books had been destroyed.  Well, we all know that he got that one wrong.
And we all know that the "Affair" is going well for The McCanns.
How much else can he get wrong?

[Rachel Granada]

I don't know where they could start, Rachel.  But let's not get too keen on just blaming Amaral and Co.  Are we supposed to believe that the rest of The PJ didn't know what was going on?  Are we supposed to believe that they were all fine and dandy with The Cipriano Case when there were six arguidos from The PJ involved in her torture?  Of course they knew.
For God's sake. even passing Portuguese poster knew.

So I wouldn't be at all surprised if Scotland Yard are wary.  Not Rosy?  I shouldn't think so.

Thanks Eleanor, some food for thought in your post.

[Redblossom]

Thanks Eleanor, some food for thought in your post.

Past its sell by date so best not eat it lol

[Eleanor]

Past its sell by date so best not eat it lol

Pfft.

PS.  I hope that isn't misconstrued as inappropriate language.

[DCI]

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/418929/Madeleine-McCann-inquiry-wins-backing-from-Portugal

Madeleine McCann inquiry wins backing from Portugal

SCOTLAND Yard detectives searching for Madeleine McCann are set to fly to Portugal as its law chief yesterday confirmed receipt of Britain’s request to follow up fresh leads.



Kate and Gerry McCann continue to hope that their daughter is still alive

The exchange of letters between London and Lisbon means the Portuguese end of the Yard’s new inquiry is now on an official footing.

Detectives from Operation Grange are expected in the Algarve in the next few weeks.

But sources stressed the British police officers can do nothing in Portugal without being accompanied by public prosecutors.

Portugal’s Attorney General’s office confirmed receipt of a letter from Home Secretary Theresa May.

A spokesman said: “A request for judicial assistance has been received from the British authorities.

“There is currently no timetable for when and how we will proceed.”

Yesterday’s confirmation by the Portuguese is another significant step in the two-year operation which has cost £5million so far.

Last month detectives announced a new investigation after a review identified 38 potential suspects.

The “persons of interest” come from five countries and include 12 Britons.

Madeleine was three when she went missing from the McCann family apartment in the Algarve resort of Praia da Luz in May 2007.

Her parents Kate and Gerry have never given up hope that their daughter is still alive.

The couple, both doctors from Rothley, Leicestershire, welcomed the new Yard inquiry and described it as a “big step forward”.

Scotland Yard says there is no firm evidence that Madeleine is dead.

Detective Chief Inspector Andy Redwood said both the British and Portuguese “remain completely committed” to solving the mystery.

Operation Grange was set up to review available evidence in 2011 after the McCanns appealed to Prime Minister David Cameron and Mrs May.

As part of the review, Yard detectives travelled to Portugal 16 times to discuss evidence gathered so far and any possible new leads.

The Home Office says it “remains committed” to providing detectives with the resources they need. Last week Gerry McCann said: “You’re not going to accept that your child’s dead unless there’s conclusive proof.”

[Rachel Granada]

So Amaral believed that his remaining books had been destroyed.  Well, we all know that he got that one wrong.
And we all know that the "Affair" is going well for The McCanns.
How much else can he get wrong?

Just about eve 8()(((@#rything.  Why oh why oh why was he ever allowed within a million miles of another missing child case.

Sorry to rant!