Not so Rosy a relationship between the PJ and SY after all?

[stephen25000]

Well reading between the lines it would seem that the Portuguese are getting a bit peeved at being told what to do by SY and/or the UK government.

Those naughty 'sardine munchers'. 

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/329872/Police-bust-up-sparks-fear-for-Madeleine-McCann-investigation

[Redblossom]

No mention of abduction, just vanished. And twice referring to the case as a mystery. Case shelved as an unsolved mystery! Never read that before.

OK, so the PT authorities are not reopening the case, the UK authorities have no powers or jurisdiction in Portugal, but can act only if accompanied by prosecutors? or going by other press articles can only assist the Portuguese in enquiries. I suppose if they find credible new evidence it will be reopened? And now MWT and Tubbs a sky journalist have tweeted tense atmosphere? redwood says relationship is excellent, All very confusing.

[Mr Gray]

Of course the situation is difficult. The only reason SY has got involved is because the original investigation was poor. PJ must be really embarrassed that SY think they can do better. Redwood has to speak nicely so as not to upset the Portuguese. If the Portuguese refuse SY requests there will be a major diplomatic row.

[DCI]

Of course the situation is difficult. The only reason SY has got involved is because the original investigation was poor. PJ must be really embarrassed that SY think they can do better. Redwood has to speak nicely so as not to upset the Portuguese. If the Portuguese refuse SY requests there will be a major diplomatic row.

  So the Star becomes the holy bible, all of a sudden. Last week it was the pits!
 
Was this not noticed?

But the Portuguese Attorney-General’s office said yesterday: “There is currently no timetable for when and how we will proceed.

“The British authorities cannot carry out interviews or make inquiries in Portugual without being accompanied by public prosecutors.”

SY have never said they want to do anything without being accompanied by anyone else. Or did I miss it?

[stephen25000]

So the Star becomes the holy bible, all of a sudden. Last week it was the pits!
 
Was this not noticed?

But the Portuguese Attorney-General’s office said yesterday: “There is currently no timetable for when and how we will proceed.

“The British authorities cannot carry out interviews or make inquiries in Portugual without being accompanied by public prosecutors.”

SY have never said they want to do anything without being accompanied by anyone else. Or did I miss it?

 Well the 'star' is about reliable as any  member of the UK press.

However, I'm sure the Portuguese Press could suggest a few places to stuff their Pilchards with.

[Carana]

What is the problem?

The SY and the PJ authorities seem to have found some solution to move on from the previous judicial impasse.

Isn't that good news?

For heaven's sake, this is about a real missing child - it's not a virtual buzkashi match.

It's about trying to determine what happened to her: whether she is alive or not and who may have taken her out of that apartment for whatever reason (unless she walked, wandered and disappeared from outside).

[sadie]

That was quite stupid Sadie.


How many child abductions have taken place in the UK in the same period ?

Your fantasy ideas linking cases, which in some cases have already been solved beggars belief.


You ,plus other Mccannites, most of the press, SY, have ridiculed the Portuguese investigation, and do you really think they are going to rollover and do the UK's governments bidding ?


Well your more deluded than I thought.

Which cases have been solved, Stephen?

[stephen25000]

What is the problem?

The SY and the PJ authorities seem to have found some solution to move on from the previous judicial impasse.

Isn't that good news?

For heaven's sake, this is about a real missing child - it's not a virtual buzkashi match.

It's about trying to determine what happened to her: whether she is alive or not and who may have taken her out of that apartment for whatever reason (xunless she walked, wandered and disappeared from outside).

The problem as you call it, wouldn't probably exist if the Portuguese people and police had not been denigrated so  repeatedly in the UK press and those others criticizing them.

Perhaps a wholesale apology to Portugal might facilitate their help rather than repeated criticism.

[sadie]

Of course the situation is difficult. The only reason SY has got involved is because the original investigation was poor. PJ must be really embarrassed that SY think they can do better. Redwood has to speak nicely so as not to upset the Portuguese. If the Portuguese refuse SY requests there will be a major diplomatic row.

  You bet there will be.

[sadie]

What is the problem?

The SY and the PJ authorities seem to have found some solution to move on from the previous judicial impasse.

Isn't that good news?

For heaven's sake, this is about a real missing child - it's not a virtual buzkashi match.

It's about trying to determine what happened to her: whether she is alive or not and who may have taken her out of that apartment for whatever reason (unless she walked, wandered and disappeared from outside).

 

[DCI]

The problem as you call it, wouldn't probably exist if the Portuguese people and police had not been denigrated so  repeatedly in the UK press and those others criticizing them.

Perhaps a wholesale apology to Portugal might facilitate their help rather than repeated criticism.

Remember the Paulo Reis email, where he said, " there was no forensic's in the car, and it was just bait, and journalists, swallowed it.

[Eleanor]

Portugal will do some serious damage to it's reputation as a democracy if they refuse.    But then they aren't going to refuse, are they.  They are just getting the legal aspect correctly in place, as they must.

[DCI]

Portugal will do some serious damage to it's reputation as a democracy if they refuse.    But then they aren't going to refuse, are they.  They are just getting the legal aspect correctly in place, as they must.

 
Of course they won't refuse, Eleanor. How bad it would make them look, if they did?

[John]

Mark Williams-Thomas' own theory on the abduction was rubbished quite some time ago so I wouldn't be surprised if there was some point scoring going on here.  I will also point out that his involvement in the last Bamber documentary for ITV was amateurish and included the false claim that Sheila shot the family with a shotgun.

Scotland Yard will find it extremely difficult to muster any cooperation with the rank and file among the PJ and the GNR.  They have long memories of what happened and indeed is happening to Señor Amaral.

I fear that as far as the ordinary copper on the ground in Portugal is concerned the Madeleine case is long dead!

[Carana]

The problem as you call it, wouldn't probably exist if the Portuguese people and police had not been denigrated so  repeatedly in the UK press and those others criticizing them.

Perhaps a wholesale apology to Portugal might facilitate their help rather than repeated criticism.

Xenophobic elements of the  UK  tabloid press did criticise the PT handling of the case.

There is also often fierce criticism of the UK police in the UK press. This often happens in established democracies.

Criticism from a foreign press may have led to a defensive attitude in Portugal... but how did all the "leaks ", many of which later appeared to be incorrect, appear in PT tabloids in a country in which there was judicial secrecy and a makeshift press officer?

Many of the UK tabloids relied on the PT tabloids for their "news". The Leveson inquiry is interesting in this respect.

How on earth Lizzy Spielberg keeps spouting press inventions as troooo facts is beyond me.