Not so Rosy a relationship between the PJ and SY after all?

[Carana]

Another policeman recalls the "barriers" that were placed when the PJ requested assistance in the initial investigation. "The letter of request to conduct investigations in England had to be changed several times by imposition of the British authorities. [/i


When where the letters of request initially sent?

[Carana]

I think the clue liea in the sentence, it has left investigators angry

I think the clue lies in the fact that they haven't been named...

The "investigators" may not be the current cooperation team at all.

If they are Amaral, Paiva and co., they may be taking it personally.

[Redblossom]

I think the clue lies in the fact that they haven't been named...

The "investigators" may not be the current cooperation team at all.

If they are Amaral, Paiva and co., they may be taking it personally.

Only in your mind though isnt it?

Until we hear about* current investigators* thats all it can be

[Eleanor]

My advice is not to respond to any posts which are abusive and simply report them as they will be deleted in any event. TY

Not really my forte to report personal abuse aimed at me, John.  And I do try not to respond.  But sometimes it gets a bit much, so I retaliate.  Sorry about that.

[sadie]

Not really my forte to report personal abuse aimed at me, John.  And I do try not to respond.  But sometimes it gets a bit much, so I retaliate.  Sorry about that.

Not my style either Eleanor, until it wound up to such a pitch that it couldn't  be ignored.  Then I started reporting and reciprocating .... but I took a hell of a lot of awful abuse before I eventaulally joined them.

It has been so bad that as you know, it has partially been documented on another forum



Anyway, despite tbhe fact that I do not like it, I now wear my abuse with pride, cos i know to have been awarded it, I must have scored a goal. 

You too.

Well enough about that.

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Reds post is interesting.  Will PT PJ co-operate or not?  Is Cameron out there to speak to influential peeps about it ... and hopefully move the case forward, or not?

[faithlilly]

Of course they won't refuse, Eleanor. How bad it would make them look, if they did?

Do you really think after the way the Portuguese have been treated by the British press they will give a fig what anyone thinks of their decision ?

[Carana]

Only in your mind though isnt it?

Until we hear about* current investigators* thats all it can be

My question concerns who these unnamed "investigators" might be.

I don't see how they could be current ones as the letter of assistance has only just been received, so I don't see what current PT investigation is yet underway.

[Eleanor]

Another policeman recalls the "barriers" that were placed when the PJ requested assistance in the initial investigation. "The letter of request to conduct investigations in England had to be changed several times by imposition of the British authorities. [/i


When where the letters of request initially sent?

I can't remember when they were initially sent, but they were legally incorrect.  This is not acceptable because it can lead to an acquittal on a technicality if any trial were to ensue.

Mr Smith was not reinterviewed because the Portuguese application to do so was sent to London.  Mr. Smith is not a British Subject and cannot be forced to comply under British Law.  Portugal did not reapply to question Mr. Smith in the correct form.

Britain did not at any time refuse or deliberately block the questioning of any British Subject.

[Eleanor]

My question concerns who these unnamed "investigators" might be.

I don't see how they could be current ones as the letter of assistance has only just been received, so I don't see what current PT investigation is yet underway.

The Investigator referred to was one who participated in the original investigation.  No surprises there then.

The Portuguese will not refuse to assist.  This is not an option.

[Carana]

Well, there were a few things that were objected to... including 6 months' worth of bank statements for no fathomable proportionate reason.

Aside from those niggles, the first one doesn't seem to have even been received until:

First Letter of Request - dated 23rd January 2008
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/RESPONSE-ROGATORY.htm

Unless anyone finds anything different.

If that's the case, they started after Team Amaral had left the case. Why didn't his team get them organised?

[Carana]

The Investigator referred to was one who participated in the original investigation.  No surprises there then.

The Portuguese will not refuse to assist.  This is not an option.

I doubt that they would either, Eleanor*. It seems to have been a complex legal situation to work out. I'm sure the good people of Portugal would like nothing more than to solve this case.

However, the way that that article is worded is ambiguous as to which "investigators" made those remarks.

Nothing new there either.

* Correction re name.

[Redblossom]

My question concerns who these unnamed "investigators" might be.

I don't see how they could be current ones as the letter of assistance has only just been received, so I don't see what current PT investigation is yet underway.

The investigators who remained after the case was shelved, one would think have still their names attached to the case, and no NEW ones, SEEING as it was shelved five yrs ago

[Redblossom]

I doubt that they would either, Leonor. It seems to have been a complex legal situation to work out. I'm sure the good people of Portugal would like nothing more than to solve this case.

However, the way that that article is worded is ambiguous as to which "investigators" made those remarks.

Nothing new there either.

leonor?
 

[Carana]

The investigators who remained after the case was shelved, one would think have still their names attached to the case, and no NEW ones, SEEING as it was shelved five yrs ago

I half agree with you there. They can only be former investigators as far as I can work out.

My issue is that the wording is ambiguous and could lead people to believe that the current effort at cooperation is a source of resentment amongst the team now trying to move ahead.

I don't think that is fair.

Alternatively, if those comments really did come from the current team - there isn't much point in trying to establish greater international cooperation and a sharing of best practices. If that's the case, I'd find it very depressing.

However, I'm not sure that this isn't just the press up to their old tricks.

I find that both sides of the popular press are at fault. The UK tabloids made numerous objectionable, hurtful, xenophobic comments. The PT popular press gave the impression that the T9 were a bunch of drunken louts and that the UK was about to cry "Rule Britannia" and take over a sovereign country.

Both sides were just trying to wind up the public as that is what sold papers and advertising space.

[Carana]

leonor?
 

LOL I corrected it.