Was there really a 'missing' luggage bag?

[Brietta]

Why don't you ask him? Amaral claimed he put forward that theory in discussions. I don't think all private discussions about the case are written down in the files. But it would be extremely foolish to discard the possibility of a bag being used to conceal and remove a missing person. There was a pile of clothes dumped on the shelf where Eddie alerted. Bags are stored in wardrobes, clothes are taken away on holiday in bags - go figure.

You really can't bring alleged conversations which have no provenance into the debate; it's called 'hearsay' and has no standing whatsoever.  You will have to do better than that.

[pathfinder73]

You really can't bring alleged conversations which have no provenance into the debate; it's called 'hearsay' and has no standing whatsoever.  You will have to do better than that.

Mark Harrison, an English expert, who did the planning of the searches that were carried out with the CSI dogs, of the cadaver odour and blood, at the end of July, early August, puts forward that serious hypothesis - that the body was taken inside a sports bag, he speaks of a golf bag, of a sports bag . (G. Amaral)

http://www.mccannfiles.com/id408.html

"There was nothing of that size that you could hide a, a tennis racquet in or anything like that." (David Payne)

http://www.mccannfiles.com/id251.html

[Wonderfulspam]

Mark Harrison, an English expert, who did the planning of the searches that were carried out with the CSI dogs, of the cadaver odour and blood, at the end of July, early August, puts forward that serious hypothesis - that the body was taken inside a sports bag, he speaks of a golf bag, of a sports bag . (G. Amaral)

http://www.mccannfiles.com/id408.html

"There was nothing of that size that you could hide a, a tennis racquet in or anything like that." (David Payne)

http://www.mccannfiles.com/id251.html

1485    ”What about a kit bag? Would they have a kit bag with them?”

Reply    ”Err he certainly didn’t have a great big tennis bag or a, you know, err I mean I used to be a squash, a semi-professional squash player and you know they certainly didn’t have anything that I would call a kit bag from days when I played…”

1485    ”Yeah.”

Reply    ”You know, a lot of sport, err if they had a rucksack with some water in that would be, you know, about as big as it got, you know a small rucksack. But it certainly wasn’t a big tennis, you know, things that you could put a tennis racquet in.”

1485    ”Yeah.”

Reply    ”There was nothing of that size that you could hide a, a tennis racquet in or anything like that, it would have been just purely, if they had anything…”

1485    ”Yeah.”

Reply    ”It would have been something that had their water in.”

1485    ”So as opposed to a bag it’d be something like a rucksack, if at all?”

Reply    ”If, if at all, yeah.”

1485    ”Yeah.”

Reply    ”Yeah.”

1485    ”And is that the same for Kate?”

Reply    ”Yeah, yeah.”


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[pegasus]

The last I see of the large dark bag is in the 5th May photo, on the right.
It is not in the gym video is it?.
And not in the villa video - do you see it in any room there?

[misty]

The last I see of the large dark bag is in the 5th May photo, on the right.
It is not in the gym video is it?.
And not in the villa video - do you see it in any room there?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=c4NMYPsFKb8

Stop the video at exactly 1.08.48 & tell me what you see next to the cardboard boxes.

[pegasus]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=c4NMYPsFKb8

Stop the video at exactly 1.08.48 & tell me what you see next to the cardboard boxes.

I will have a look

[Anna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=c4NMYPsFKb8

Stop the video at exactly 1.08.48 & tell me what you see next to the cardboard boxes.

Yes it was a suitcase, but I cant get a still frame , however let it run and I think this is it......hopefully!

[pegasus]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=c4NMYPsFKb8

Stop the video at exactly 1.08.48 & tell me what you see next to the cardboard boxes.

Good find, I can't freeze it, going to try better video software.

[Anna]

The image has a ghost when frozen, but here it is.
  Well done Misty

[pegasus]

The image has a ghost when frozen, but here it is.
  Well done Misty

Here is my attempt.
Large dark bag or case on right.
But not sure if it is the one from the wardrobe?

ETA logically it should be possible to find same bag/case in villa video?

[Brietta]

Here is my attempt.
Large dark bag or case on right.
But not sure if it is the one from the wardrobe?

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/INSPECTION_SITES.htm

[misty]

I think Pegasus found the best still of the single suitcase - that was the one I was looking for but the video is such a mish-mash mess.
It doesn't  show all the clothes taken out of that case - but it looks a pretty full case compared to the items shown (including Gerry's fleece?) before it cuts.
That's the case imo which is shown in the crime scene photo 4/5/07 in the wardrobe & long since mythically described as the blue tennis bag.

[pegasus]

I think Pegasus found the best still of the single suitcase - that was the one I was looking for but the video is such a mish-mash mess.
It doesn't  show all the clothes taken out of that case - but it looks a pretty full case compared to the items shown (including Gerry's fleece?) before it cuts.
That's the case imo which is shown in the crime scene photo 4/5/07 in the wardrobe & long since mythically described as the blue tennis bag.

I don't think it is the bag from the wardrobe.
I think it may possibly be a case taken from the guest bedroom in the villa and owned by the guests (mothers parents) but I need to check.

Anyway do peeps agree that this dark bag/case in adult bedroom wardrobe early morning 4th May
http://www.mccannfiles.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/10VOLUMEXaPage2562.jpg

is the exact same dark bag/case (in right hand of the carrying person on your right) removed morning 5th May
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=4989.0;attach=4207;image ?

[misty]

I don't think it is the bag from the wardrobe.
I think it may possibly be a case taken from the guest bedroom in the villa and owned by the guests (mothers parents) but I need to check.

Anyway do peeps agree that this dark bag/case in adult bedroom wardrobe early morning 4th May
http://www.mccannfiles.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/10VOLUMEXaPage2562.jpg

is the exact same dark bag/case (in right hand of the carrying person on your right) removed morning 5th May
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=4989.0;attach=4207;image ?

So we must consider adding cross-contamination of the clothes from another outside source?

[Anna]

I don't think it is the bag from the wardrobe.
I think it may possibly be a case taken from the guest bedroom in the villa and owned by the guests (mothers parents) but I need to check.

Anyway do peeps agree that this dark bag/case in adult bedroom wardrobe early morning 4th May
http://www.mccannfiles.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/10VOLUMEXaPage2562.jpg

is the exact same dark bag/case (in right hand of the carrying person on your right) removed morning 5th May
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=4989.0;attach=4207;image ?

Sorry to be off topic, but answering a question only, then back on topic
The photos in inspection, show 2 cases. One from twins room containing lots( the large one that looks very full) in the video and a smaller one from the guest room(empty) Neither of them was a bag. although the list shows there was bags in the inspection. Neither of these cases were the so called, tennis bag IMO, but surely the large one is what Gerry was carrying from 5A on the photo that you posted. If he had that large suitcase, why would he buy another? IIRC Gerry said that there was a suitcase and dirty washing in the wardrobe that Eddie alerted too. Yet suitcase clean?

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4. Then the suitcase labelled 'Twins bedroom' was inspected, followed by two sets of inspections of its contents due to the large number of individual pieces it contained: the blood dog inspected [the first set] between 00h12 and 00h15, and then [the second set] between 00h22 and 00h24 - both without any result.
The cadaver dog inspected [set one] between 00h16 and 00h17, then [set two] between 00h25 and 00h26, also without any result.

5. An empty suitcase labelled 'Visitors bedroom' was inspected, along with sundry clothing packed in a box labelled Outside Clothes rack. Between 00h40 and 00h43 the blood dog inspected without any result, and in its turn the cadaver dog inspected between 00h44 and 00h45, also without any result.
6. The clothes packed in the box labelled "couple's bedroom 1" was inspected by the blood dog between 00h51 and 00h55, while the cadaver dog inspected it between 00h56 and 0057 without any result from either dog.
because there were so many pieces of clothing in the box a second inspection was conducted between 01h04 and 01h07 by the blood dog, and between 01h08 and 01h09 by the cadaver dog, [again] without any result from either dog.

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