Was there really a 'missing' luggage bag?

[Eleanor]

Wasn't someone seen acting suspiciously with a black bag in The Cipriano Affair?  So many similarities in the two Cases that we wouldn't want to miss one.

[Benice]

Mr Grime says clearly that the first alert (whether VOCs remaining on the spot or brought there by draughts) is not in the cupboard, but in the corner of that cupboard with the wall.

Where does he say that Anne? plz.

Quote from Martin Grime re the bedroom alert - followed by the Sofa:-

The first alert was given with the dogs head in the air without a positive area being identified. This is the alert given by him when there is no tangible evidence to be located only the remaining scent.

The second alert was one where a definitive area was evident. The CSI dog was therefore deployed who gave specific alert indications to specific areas on the tiled floor area behind the sofa and on the curtain in the area that was in contact with the floor behind the sofa. This would indicate to the likely presence of human blood.

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[Redblossom]

Wasn't someone seen acting suspiciously with a black bag in The Cipriano Affair?  So many similarities in the two Cases that we wouldn't want to miss one.

There  is no similarity in the two cases

In one a four yr old was put to bed and left in an unlocked apartment open to all and sundry  with intermittent checks
In the other a 7/8 yr old was sent out after dark on her own to go buy food, and not even just down the road but a good stretch!

The only similarity is the carelessness and blaseness of the parents

PS there is a forum for the Cipriano case, wouldnt want to get accused of derailing here would we

 

[pegasus]

Some small bags were removed on the 4th.
The two large bags were removed on the 5th.

[pathfinder73]

Two main luggage bags were on the plane to PDL. Only the dark blue suitcase bag is seen in 5A crime scene photos. There were 3 smaller carry on bags - red and green rucksacks and black carry bag. Two seen in boarding plane footage when Madeleine tripped on steps. Airport CCTV should confirm the other main luggage bag. There's a pile of clothes that could've been emptied from a bag on the wardrobe shelf where Eddie sniffed and bark alerted. That connects. That unidentified bag could be an important part of the case.

[Carana]

There still seems to be no evidence that a large bag/suitcase had disappeared.

One photo taken on the night by the PT forensic guys showed what does appear to be a bag in the cupboard, which doesn't appear in the photos the next day.

Either this was a bag/case used to pack up necessities when they were moved out that night, or there was no security and anyone could have accessed that apartment following their evacuation from the apartment.

Which is it?

What looks like a similar smallish case is in the photos concerning the villa objects taken for sniffing.

[Wonderfulspam]

There still seems to be no evidence that a large bag/suitcase had disappeared.

One photo taken on the night by the PT forensic guys showed what does appear to be a bag in the cupboard, which doesn't appear in the photos the next day.

Either this was a bag/case used to pack up necessities when they were moved out that night, or there was no security and anyone could have accessed that apartment following their evacuation from the apartment.
Which is it?

What looks like a similar smallish case is in the photos concerning the villa objects taken for sniffing.

LOL, the burglars came back & nicked a bag when no one was looking.

[pathfinder73]

There still seems to be no evidence that a large bag/suitcase had disappeared.

One photo taken on the night by the PT forensic guys showed what does appear to be a bag in the cupboard, which doesn't appear in the photos the next day.

Either this was a bag/case used to pack up necessities when they were moved out that night, or there was no security and anyone could have accessed that apartment following their evacuation from the apartment.

Which is it?

What looks like a similar smallish case is in the photos concerning the villa objects taken for sniffing.

They need to identify the other main luggage bag that was missing from the crime scene photos first. A bag can leave a place and come back again so it later doesn't seem to be missing. But it could have been used that night. That's why you have to investigate it. Kate claimed a witness saw them acting suspiciously with a big black bag. Who is this witness? A big dark blue bag was seen in the wardrobe. Now they need to identify the other bag? Airport CCTV footage  >@@(*&)

[Carana]

They need to identify the other main luggage bag that was missing from the crime scene photos first. A bag can leave a place and come back again so it later doesn't seem to be missing. But it could have been used that night. That's why you have to investigate it. Kate claimed a witness saw them acting suspiciously with a big black bag. Who is this witness? A big dark blue bag was seen in the wardrobe. Now they need to identify the other bag? Airport CCTV footage  >@@(*&)

The Met would never have thought to check luggage of course....

[jassi]

I suppose it would depend how thorough they wanted to be.

[pathfinder73]

The Met would never have thought to check luggage of course....

Airport CCTV should've been examined in 2007 when Mark Harrison suggested that a bag may have been used to conceal and remove a body from the crime scene.

[Carana]

Airport CCTV should've been examined in 2007 when Mark Harrison suggested that a bag may have been used to conceal and remove a body from the crime scene.

Where did he state that?

[pathfinder73]

Where did he state that?

Any investigator would follow the possibility that a bag was used to conceal and remove the missing child from the crime scene. It's not rocket science. Recent case Mikaeel Kular (RIP) was concealed in a suitcase and removed from the crime scene and moved in the boot of the car.

[Carana]

Any investigator would follow the possibility that a bag was used to conceal and remove the missing child from the crime scene. It's not rocket science. Recent case Mikaeel Kular (RIP) was concealed in a suitcase and removed from the crime scene and moved in the boot of the car.

Poor little Mikaeel. I've no intention of bringing his tragic case into this discussion, poor little chap. RIP, little one.

Back on topic, you said: "when MH suggested that a bag may have been used to conceal and remove a body from the crime scene."

When did he suggest this?

[pathfinder73]

Why don't you ask him? Amaral claimed he put forward that theory in discussions. I don't think all private discussions about the case are written down in the files. But it would be extremely foolish to discard the possibility of a bag being used to conceal and remove a missing person. There was a pile of clothes dumped on the shelf where Eddie alerted. Bags are stored in wardrobes, clothes are taken away on holiday in bags - go figure.