The Felicia Cabrita story about the 14 bottles of wine.

[Jean-Pierre]

You didn't read did you Sadie.

I'm here to those who condone neglect.

By the by, Stephen, you have made your views on parents who imbibe alcohol while on holiday quite plain.

What are your views on police officers who drink on duty?

[Jean-Pierre]

It astounds me that this is the only forum where there are posters who both believe and disbelieve the McCann's, debating together and all we seem to hear from the Mccann supporters is constant requests for posters to be banned.

What do these people want? The same one sided forums that populate the net? What's the point in that? You don't have to have the same opinion to be able to debate things without constanlty asking for posters to be banned!

This persistent bleating to Admin over banning people and removing posters is getting more than tiresome now.

Constant bleating?  The lady doth protest too much, methinks.

[Mo Stache]

By the by, Stephen, you have made your views on parents who imbibe alcohol while on holiday quite plain.

What are your views on police officers who drink on duty?

Or even worse; a father who drives intoxicated with his daughter in the car (as per the mother of the child's statement).

[sadie]

Playing the Queen of Hearts, Sadie ? Off with his head ???

Every bit, Anne, if he is only on here to throw a spanner in the works, then we dont need him

Off with his head!  Yep !

Nope, I am gentler than that.  Just get rid of him if he posted that. 

The evidence seems to be here, on this forum ... for all to see.

[sadie]

Or even worse; a father who drives intoxicated with his daughter in the car (as per the mother of the child's statement).

Are you talking about Snr Amaral?  A senior Police Officer at the time?

Drunk driving?

With a child, his own daughter, in the car ?

Oh, my !

[stephen25000]

Every bit, Anne, if he is only on here to throw a spanner in the works, then we dont need him

Off with his head!  Yep !

Nope, I am gentler than that.  Just get rid of him if he posted that. 

The evidence seems to be here, on this forum ... for all to see.

Your true self Sadie.


I didn't post that on this forum, and what's this about NOT bringing  stuff from other forums/places ?


As to the reason I said it, NEGLECT of children.


That's why Madeleine is missing.

[stephen25000]

So Sadie, why are you on this forum supporting parents whose behaviour resulted in the disappearance of their eldest daughter ?

[Mo Stache]

So Sadie, why are you on this forum supporting parents whose behaviour resulted in the disappearance of their eldest daughter ?

Stephen where is your proof that if the McCann's didn't drink or leave the children unattended that Madeleine would not have gone missing? Where is your proof that even though all measures were taken to secure the children that an abductor wouldn't still have had the opportunity to take Madeleine?

[Mo Stache]

Are you talking about Snr Amaral?  A senior Police Officer at the time?

Drunk driving?

With a child, his own daughter, in the car ?

Oh, my !

"Was Amaral somewhat of a hypocrite in condemming the McCanns?

« on: June 06, 2013, 01:52:38 AM »

Quote by Jonh:


We know that Amaral likes his tipple and has often been described as drunk.  It has also been claimed by his wife that he drives often while intoxicated.  As he appeared to have a child under his care do members feel he is or was a responsible parent?  Was he not just a little bit hypocritical in blaming the McCanns for the very same thing for which he himself was guilty?"

[stephen25000]

Stephen where is your proof that if the McCann's didn't drink or leave the children unattended that Madeleine would not have gone missing? Where is your proof that even though all measures were taken to secure the children that an abductor wouldn't still have had the opportunity to take Madeleine?

Here we go again on your MANTRA.

What abductor ?

[sadie]

I am sorry this is very long, but better to post in one piece, I think.

Carana was in touch with me late last night, asking me to go over all the Waiter statements.  There are quite a number!  But I did so.  As far as I could find, only two waiters said anything of interest about the wines and drinks.  Jeronimo Salcedas and Ricardo. A. D. Oliveira

Copied below relevant parts of their statements about the drinks ...  in bright blue. 
In teal .... their words about the groups visits to check their children. 
In maroon .... their observations about what happened immediately after the abduction. 

Despite the telephone lists, it seems the Police were called by the waiter very early on.  Maybe another line was used?


http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/J-T-R-Salcedas.htm  (Jeronimo Salcedas)
2007/05/06


When asked, he said that they would normally stay at the restaurant until 23.30 - 24.00, although some of them would leave earlier, at about 23.00. They were people who showed their satisfaction with the food and would consume on average 8 bottles of wine (4 red, 4 white) between the nine of them, which he considered to be normal consumption for a group of such a number.[/color]

They did not drink coffee and as regards after dinner drinks (digestivos) they only consumed these once on 2nd May.

He noticed, because it was obvious, that some of the members of the group would regularly leave the restaurant to do something, which he gradually came to realise was 'controlling' the children.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JERONIMO-SALCEDAS.htm 2(Jeronimo Salcedas)006
22008.04.23 008.04.23 2008.04.23

Frequently, when I served the table I noticed that one or two elements of the group had left the restaurant. I could not imagine where they had gone to. After seeing the news stories, I figured that they had gone to check on their children. On some occasions, I also saw some infant monitors on the same table but never related this to the facts.

In relation to alcohol consumption, it never appeared to me to be excessive. The wine was included in the dinner at Tapas and the functionaries were very generous in this respect. The permission was approximately one bottler per person . According to what I remember, and relative to the consumption of alcohol, there were seven bottles between the nine adults. I believe that on the first or second night they dined in the Tapas, they drank a bit more, perhaps eight or nine bottles of wine. I believe that they were also offered liquor this night, as they had been such good clients. The behaviour of the table did not change the night in questions. If anything, the group jested more than usual but no one appeared drunk.[/color]



http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/RICARDO-A-D-L-OLIVEIRA.htm

Not the statement dated 2007/01/30 21H00 <<<<< !!! ERROR !!!  30th JAN 2007 ... 4 months before the abduction !!!
Nothing in that statement


but the statement of Date: 2007.09.07

He states that on that night, after having received the orders, he went into the bar. Immediately, he put two white wine and two red wine bottles, along with a bottle of water, on the table. He cannot be sure that he served more wine that night. The appetiser/starters were served by one of his colleagues. After 25 to 30 minutes, it was the witness who served the main dishes. He remembers that at this moment, the taller male, whom he now knows to be Russell, had left the table. He did not know where he had gone. The witness was asked to keep Russell?s meal warm. After a certain amount of time (he is not able to be exact), he was asked to serve Russell, who had returned to the table. He remembers that the rest of the group had practically finished their main courses. Asked if he remembers having seen all the elements of the group at this time, he cannot remember exactly. He also cannot state the length of time Russell was away from the table. The witness states that he had already served all the clients of the bar and for this reason, believes that Russell was away for some time.

He served Russell and shortly thereafter, he was alerted to strange movements in the restaurant perimeters. He refers to the movements of two men from said group? David Payne and Matthew, who appeared to be searching the gardens the areas near the bar. The witness went to the esplanade zone and saw that the table that had previously been occupied by nine adults was now occupied only by the older woman, called Dianne Webster. It was also at this time that he saw that Russell's food was only half eaten and that the others had all finished their dinner.
David Payne and Matthew were nervously searching the area.

The witness went to them, he does not remember which one, and asked what was happening. One of them responded to the witness in English stating 'A GIRL IS MISSING?' that a child had gone missing. After a few moments, around 5 or 10 minutes, he heard screaming from the apartment zone and saw a woman on the balcony of 5 A. He did not understand what she was saying. As it was night, and given the distance from the Tapas bar to the apartment, he was not able to determine if there was someone else next to the woman on the balcony. At that moment his colleague, Joe, met up with him and asked the witness to call the police, and that a child has gone missing and could not be found. Immediately afterwards, Joe left toward the street. He does not know who gave this information to Joe but the witness (or his colleague who believes the witness did so) called the reception asking them to inform the police. [/u] Questioned, he affirms that the group would normally consist of nine people (including Madeleines parents), and would normally dine around 20H30 and 20H40. They would not all arrive at once and before they all arrived, some would have cocktails. On the day of the disappearance, all were seated at the table between 20H35 and 20H45. He remembers them arriving as usual. Had they arrived late, this would have been noted by the staff. He does not remember if they were served cocktails. When they were all together, the group sat at the table, he took their orders, including the starters. As already mentioned, on this occasion, he would immediately take two white and two red bottles of wine and one bottle of water to the table. Their main courses would normally be ready 25 to 30 minutes after their order? a time they used to consume the starters. After starters, the group would normally spend about 15 minutes finishing the main course. Generally, during dinner, he would serve four bottles of wine (two white and two red), which the group completely consumed. On that day, he did not serve any more wine. It was also normal for certain members of the group to order dessert. After this, they would normally stay at the table until after 24H00 but would always leave before 00H00, the time when the bar closed. One or more of them, on another night, asked for an after-dinner drink. He remembers this clearly because they asked for Amareto and the bar did not stock it.

The witness served almond bitters to all. He remembers that this happened on Wednesday. He does not remember if they had more after-dinner drinks. He does remember that on Wednesday, certain elements of the group got up, with their after-dinner drinks, and headed to the bar and stayed there until about 00H00/00H10. This was the only night where the group elements were in the bar after closing. [ please note, from googling, almond bitters is often a cake type pudding, or there is an almond bitters drink ... both are called Amaretto.  However, the bar does not stock Amareto (see above) so were they served the cake?]

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JOAQUIM-J-M-BAPTISTA.htm
2007/05/06

Nothing in this statement about drinks

[Mo Stache]

"Was Amaral somewhat of a hypocrite in condemming the McCanns?

« on: June 06, 2013, 01:52:38 AM »

Quote by Jonh:


We know that Amaral likes his tipple and has often been described as drunk.  It has also been claimed by his wife that he drives often while intoxicated.  As he appeared to have a child under his care do members feel he is or was a responsible parent?  Was he not just a little bit hypocritical in blaming the McCanns for the very same thing for which he himself was guilty?"

"Alexandra Sofia de Sousa Manjua Leal


Excellency
Dr. Guilhermino Encarnação
Faro's Director of the Judiciary Police


Faro, 23/12/2007


Dear Sir:

As you know I'm the wife of the Coordinator of Criminal Investigation Gonçalo Amaral, with whom I have a daughter minor of age, with 4 years old, named Inês Sofia. You know also that Inês Sofia is living temporarily with her father.
By the present way I want to expose to you:

1. As agreed with my husband, Inês Sofia should spend Christmas with me, since last Thursday, day 20th. In that day, I contacted Gonçalo by mobile phone, and I was informed that Inês was with him, in trip to Coimbra and would only return on the following day;

2. On Friday 21st, I called again my husband, around lunch time. He informed me they were still on trip and at soon he arrive to Faro he will give me Inês. I waited until 8 PM without any news and Gonçalo never answered my phone calls. I then decided to go to a pub where I encountered Gonçalo and other colleagues of him consuming alcoholic beverages, asking him by Inês Sofia, he answered, visible drunken, that “she was resting” and that he will give me the child the following day. Then he departed, driving an Audi car from the police.

3. On Saturday 22nd , and after many attempts, my husband finally answered the phone in the middle of the afternoon, and asked me to get Inês in home. I rushed to the residence, but nobody was there. After a while, Gonçalo appeared driving the same car, and again in a notorious state of drunkenness. Having asked him for Inês Sofia, he ordered me to go inside the house, where he insulted me and threatened me of death. I abandoned the place.

4.Today, Sunday 23rd, and after numerous attempts, Gonçalo never answered his phone and he is not at home.


Unfortunately, this situation is not a unique and isolated act, and you Sir well know about other times in the past where I've also asked for your help. Once more, I ask again for your help, in order to guarantee Inês Sofia integrity, and in order to localize her.

Best Regards,

Alexandra Sofia de Sousa Manjua Leal "

[stephen25000]

Stephen where is your proof that if the McCann's didn't drink or leave the children unattended that Madeleine would not have gone missing? Where is your proof that even though all measures were taken to secure the children that an abductor wouldn't still have had the opportunity to take Madeleine?

Meaningless questions.

They drank,left the children unattended and no security.

I'm glad you admitted that.

[DCI]

"Was Amaral somewhat of a hypocrite in condemming the McCanns?

« on: June 06, 2013, 01:52:38 AM »

Quote by Jonh:


We know that Amaral likes his tipple and has often been described as drunk.  It has also been claimed by his wife that he drives often while intoxicated.  As he appeared to have a child under his care do members feel he is or was a responsible parent?  Was he not just a little bit hypocritical in blaming the McCanns for the very same thing for which he himself was guilty?"

Yes as reported more than once, by his wife to the PJ. He was in the pub when she asked where their daughter was, when he wouldn't hand her back in December 2007. He said she was resting, Resting at home?, who with?

[stephen25000]

Yes as reported more than once, by his wife to the PJ. He was in the pub when she asked where their daughter was, when he wouldn't hand her back in December 2007. He said she was resting, Resting at home?, who with?

Well there's a novelty ?

Police officiers drinking ?

Well I never.


What has this got to do with the disappearance of Madeleine ?