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Offline Eleanor

Re: Has Gonçalo Amaral been vindicated by the recent Cipriano denunciation?
« Reply #75 on: August 12, 2013, 02:45:16 PM »

The Compensation that Leonor Cipriano will get, for being tortured in PJ Custody.  Even a Portuguese Court has admitted to that.

stephen25000

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Re: Has Gonçalo Amaral been vindicated by the recent Cipriano denunciation?
« Reply #76 on: August 12, 2013, 07:45:54 PM »
Some people need reminding they are supporting a convicted murderer.

Offline Albertini

Re: Has Gonçalo Amaral been vindicated by the recent Cipriano denunciation?
« Reply #77 on: August 12, 2013, 07:51:14 PM »
Some people need reminding they are supporting a convicted murderer.

Simply as a prop to their hatred of Amaral.

I wonder if these same people would share the same disgust about Cipriano's treatment had Amaral not been involved in the case?

I somehow doubt it, she is simply a convenient stick with which to beat Amaral.

stephen25000

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Re: Has Gonçalo Amaral been vindicated by the recent Cipriano denunciation?
« Reply #78 on: August 12, 2013, 08:17:27 PM »
Simply as a prop to their hatred of Amaral.

I wonder if these same people would share the same disgust about Cipriano's treatment had Amaral not been involved in the case?

I somehow doubt it, she is simply a convenient stick with which to beat Amaral.

I totally agree Albertini.

The hatred of him oozes from some of the comments.

As has been stated before, by me and others, nothing Amaral has said, is new, it's  been said by many others.

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Has Gonçalo Amaral been vindicated by the recent Cipriano denunciation?
« Reply #79 on: August 12, 2013, 08:25:24 PM »
I totally agree Albertini.

The hatred of him oozes from some of the comments.

As has been stated before, by me and others, nothing Amaral has said, is new, it's  been said by many others.
Just as the hatred of the MCCanns  oozes from many comments, wouldn't you agree?

Offline Eleanor

Re: Has Gonçalo Amaral been vindicated by the recent Cipriano denunciation?
« Reply #80 on: August 12, 2013, 08:25:51 PM »
Some people need reminding they are supporting a convicted murderer.

Some people need reminding that they are supporting a convicted perjurer and fraudster.

AnneGuedes

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Re: Has Gonçalo Amaral been vindicated by the recent Cipriano denunciation?
« Reply #81 on: August 12, 2013, 09:02:28 PM »

The hatred of him oozes from some of the comments.

As has been stated before, by me and others, nothing Amaral has said, is new, it's  been said by many others.
It is understandable that Mrs McCann hates Mr Amaral, like it is clear in "Madeleine", because her conviction of what happened to Madeleine is challenged by Mr Amaral's account of this reality and no evidence makes one more likely than the other.
But I don't understand the passion Mr Amaral's name seems to produce recurrently on this forum. Do some posters reinforce Mr Amaral's faults and mistakes because in fact they have no arguments to support positively the McCanns ?

Offline Jean-Pierre

Re: Has Gonçalo Amaral been vindicated by the recent Cipriano denunciation?
« Reply #82 on: August 12, 2013, 09:16:42 PM »
I dont think anyone hates Amaral.  It would be illogical to hate someone whom one has not actually met.

Having failed to prove his "thesis" that the McCanns are guilty of various crimes, and having failed to discover any evidence, he then takes the highly unusal step of writing a book about the case, making a documentary and giving interviews during which he puts forward his thesis that Madeleine died in the apartment and her parents covered this up and disposed of her body. (rather than relying on due process). 

He claims that this was to "defend his honour".  And of course trousering a few euros out of the story as well (How much was he charging for interviews?).  If defending his honour had been his motive, he could have donated the proceeds to charity.   

So we have an ex cop exploiting the disappearance of a little girl, and the grief of her parents, to enrich himself.  Hate is not the appropraie word. 

Despise, maybe. 

And pity.   


Offline Eleanor

Re: Has Gonçalo Amaral been vindicated by the recent Cipriano denunciation?
« Reply #83 on: August 12, 2013, 09:23:24 PM »
Goncalo Amaral grossly botched the investigation.  That in itself might have been forgivable.  No one is perfect.  But his other criminal acts and misdemeanors are on record, so writing that book was an act of enormous stupidity.  He brought himself into the public eye, far more so than did The McCanns.  So therefor he must expect that his past life will be laid open to discussion.

AnneGuedes

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Re: Has Gonçalo Amaral been vindicated by the recent Cipriano denunciation?
« Reply #84 on: August 12, 2013, 10:58:13 PM »
But, Eleanor, don't you think that Gerry, Kate and Gonçalo should be left to justice ? Shouldn't we, as The people, only make sure that what happened to Madeleine McCann isn't tossed onto the garbage heap of history ?

Offline Eleanor

Re: Has Gonçalo Amaral been vindicated by the recent Cipriano denunciation?
« Reply #85 on: August 12, 2013, 11:09:52 PM »
But, Eleanor, don't you think that Gerry, Kate and Gonçalo should be left to justice ? Shouldn't we, as The people, only make sure that what happened to Madeleine McCann isn't tossed onto the garbage heap of history ?

Don't tempt me.  That would be very silly.

Offline Albertini

Re: Has Gonçalo Amaral been vindicated by the recent Cipriano denunciation?
« Reply #86 on: August 13, 2013, 12:02:37 PM »
Goncalo Amaral grossly botched the investigation. 

Do you have direct evidence either from the PJ, the AG report, Leicestershire Police or Scotland Yard that the investigation under Amaral was "grossly botched"?

It's a genuine question Eleanor.


Offline Eleanor

Re: Has Gonçalo Amaral been vindicated by the recent Cipriano denunciation?
« Reply #87 on: August 13, 2013, 12:24:58 PM »
Do you have direct evidence either from the PJ, the AG report, Leicestershire Police or Scotland Yard that the investigation under Amaral was "grossly botched"?

It's a genuine question Eleanor.

Have you read his book?

Offline Jean-Pierre

Re: Has Gonçalo Amaral been vindicated by the recent Cipriano denunciation?
« Reply #88 on: August 13, 2013, 12:32:57 PM »
Albertini - perhaps you could comment on the passage below.
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Correio da Manhã - What do you think happened to the body?

Gonçalo Amaral – Everything indicated that the body, after having been at a certain location, was moved into another location by car, twenty something days later. With the residues that were found inside the car, the little girl had to have been transported inside it.

How can you state that?

Due to the type of fluid, we policemen, experts, say that the cadaver was frozen or preserved in the cold and when placed into the car boot, with the heat at that time [of the year], part of the ice melted. On a curb, for example, something fell from the trunk’s right side, above the wheel. It may be said that this is speculation, but it’s the only way to explain what happened there.

Offline Albertini

Re: Has Gonçalo Amaral been vindicated by the recent Cipriano denunciation?
« Reply #89 on: August 13, 2013, 01:03:48 PM »
Have you read his book?

Yes, but i asked you what evidence you had from a third party which confirmed the investigation was botched.

Given the nature of LP's involvement and if the investigation was as bad as you said it was then surely LP would have publically stated so, distancing themselves from the investigation?