Has Gonçalo Amaral been vindicated by the recent Cipriano denunciation?

[sadie]

Eleanor

There are now more Arguidos amongst her probable tormentors than amongst her and The McCanns put together.[/[/color]b]

What an astute observation.  Well done Eleanor.


So all you sceptics /[ censored word ]s prefer to believe a bunch of arguidos / crooks rather than The Ciprianos and the The Mccanns?  Neither Leonor and Joao or Kate and Gerry have a single piece of evidence against them.

The only things against any of them is stuff theorised (made up, not even logically) by Amaral and Cristavao and company. 


Both "Officers" were/ are:

1) Arguidos themselves
2) Writing books to make a lot of money on the backs of these missing children.  The more salacious the tales / drama the better for mega sales of the books
3) Amaral is now a convicted perjurer (liar).   Cristavao is presently charged with seven crimes
4) Both men have further cases against them, to be presented in the Courts at a future date
5) Both men were "eased" out of their positions as PJ Officers.


And the sceptics / [ censored word ]s on here prefer to believe these guys and their mates (many were arguidos too) to The Mccanns and the Tapas group ?


Time to start thinking Guys .... and climbing down, aplogizing ... or if you are unable to do that, desisting from posting.  Remember you are posting to back these dishonest PJ Officers against defenceless couples who are almost certainly completely innocent.


Poor defenceless Leonor (and Joao).    She didn't stand a chance against this cruel mob

[Eleanor]

Thank you, Sadie.  Much better put than I could have done, with regard to the peripheral things.  I tend to balk at going into too much detail.  I wish that I didn't.
But these were all proven to have been dishonourable men long before The McCanns ever set foot in Portugal.  It is only now that their misdeeds are catching up with them.
If it had not been for their arrogance and greed we would probably never have known.

I don't really understand them, any more than I understand this sort of behaviour in any Policeman.  But I do have some sort of insight into why they do this.  Amaral went too far with The McCanns because he was worried that things were catching up with him, and he thought that he could twist things to get him off the hook.

Did he actually believe that The McCanns were guilty?  I suppose that he might have done, without face of evidence.  I will at least give him that.

And as an aside because I try always to be honest, I once dumped a dead small puppy in a bin because the ground was frozen and I couldn't bury her.  So I cannot in all truth castigate him for dumping his dead dog in a bin.
Like I left my small children alone and cannot castigate The McCanns either.

PS.  Sorry about all they dead mice.  But you try living with hundreds of them eating your mattresses.

[sadie]

Thank you, Sadie.  Much better put than I could have done, with regard to the peripheral things.  I tend to balk at going into too much detail.  I wish that I didn't.
But these were all proven to have been dishonourable men long before The McCanns ever set foot in Portugal.  It is only now that their misdeeds are catching up with them.
If it had not been for their arrogance and greed we would probably never have known.

I don't really understand them, any more than I understand this sort of behaviour in any Policeman.  But I do have some sort of insight into why they do this.  Amaral went too far with The McCanns because he was worried that things were catching up with him, and he thought that he could twist things to get him off the hook.

Did he actually believe that The McCanns were guilty?  I suppose that he might have done, without face of evidence.  I will at least give him that.

And as an aside because I try always to be honest, I once dumped a dead small puppy in a bin because the ground was frozen and I couldn't bury her.  So I cannot in all truth castigate him for dumping his dead dog in a bin.
Like I left my small children alone and cannot castigate The McCanns either.

PS.  Sorry about all they dead mice.  But you try living with hundreds of them eating your mattresses.

  and 

Pure Eleanor.  So wise, so fair, so well put .... and yet so witty at the same time

[faithlilly]

No. I didn't say that.

I don't know how well she was helped to prepare for the ordeal.

We're talking about a traumatic experience that took place 5 years previously during the course of a long interrogation with very little rest. Some details may have been clear, others hazy.

Appearing at a trial is stressful for anyone and she apparently has a lower than average IQ.

If she had been told to just tell the truth and everything will be fine, she would have presumably have tried to remember as much as she could.

Since she gave contradictory versions, I am guessing that she was cross-examined. If that's the case, she may not have been prepared for it and panicked. 

Without knowing exactly what happened at the trial, it's hard to tell.

At the end of the day, the court still upheld that she had indeed been beaten.

The court was not convened to decide whether Cipriano had been beaten but whether she had committed perjury.

[Eleanor]

How can you commit perjury when you can't remember what happened because the blood from your beaten head was pouring into your eyes?
How can you commit perjury when you think you might die?

You have to be aware of what you are doing to commit perjury.  Which Amaral obviously was.  He was also convicted of perjury.

[sadie]

How can you commit perjury when you can't remember what happened because the blood from your beaten head was pouring into your eyes?
How can you commit perjury when you think you might die?

You have to be aware of what you are doing to commit perjury.  Which Amaral obviously was.  He was also convicted of perjury.

Leonor was blinded for a month, from that blood running down into her eyes.  All because of the cruel torture she received at the hands of these wicked people.

It must have affected her mentally.

But seems there are some on here who condone such cruelty

[faithlilly]

How can you commit perjury when you can't remember what happened because the blood from your beaten head was pouring into your eyes?
How can you commit perjury when you think you might die?

You have to be aware of what you are doing to commit perjury.  Which Amaral obviously was.  He was also convicted of perjury.

If you are blinded by blood or afraid you might die you say you don't remember because of it.. What you don't do is lie under oath in a court of law.

[faithlilly]

Leonor was blinded for a month, from that blood running down into her eyes.  All because of the cruel torture she received at the hands of these wicked people.

It must have affected her mentally.

But seems there are some on here who condone such cruelty

 

[sadie]

Leonor was blinded for a month, from that blood running down into her eyes.  All because of the cruel torture she received at the hands of these wicked people.

It must have affected her mentally.

But seems there are some on here who condone such cruelty

Faith

    

Yep, that's really funny, isn't it?

Laughing at a woman blinded for a month by torture


Sad ..... that's what you are tbh.

[Eleanor]

If you are blinded by blood or afraid you might die you say you don't remember because of it.. What you don't do is lie under oath in a court of law.

Oh, I see.  You pretend that none of it ever happened, even what little you do remember?  Let's not make a fuss about the fact that they beat her nearly witless.
If you find this acceptable or even understandable then I can only suggest that you have got some serious issues about humanity in general.  I might even go so far as to suggest that you have no humanity.
God preserve you if you are ever accused of something that you didn't do.  You wouldn't last five minutes.

[Carana]

The court was not convened to decide whether Cipriano had been beaten but whether she had committed perjury.

I'm aware of that.

But Luz was saying that because she'd been convicted of perjury, no torture had occurred and therefore all the officers had their convictions overturned. Which doesn't appear to be the case. 

[Eleanor]

I'm aware of that.

But Luz was saying that because she'd been convicted of perjury, no torture had occurred and therefore all the officers had their convictions overturned. Which doesn't appear to be the case.

It isn't the case.  Amaral committed Perjury in Writing.  You have to go some to talk your way out of that.  The Perjury was in his own hand.

Personally, I believe that Amaral was there when it was happening.  But I don't have any evidence to prove this.

[faithlilly]

Oh, I see.  You pretend that none of it ever happened, even what little you do remember?  Let's not make a fuss about the fact that they beat her nearly witless.
If you find this acceptable or even understandable then I can only suggest that you have got some serious issues about humanity in general.  I might even go so far as to suggest that you have no humanity.
God preserve you if you are ever accused of something that you didn't do.  You wouldn't last five minutes.

All your rather emotive rhetoric does not divert from the fact that if Cipriano did not remember, or was indeed unclear about anything that happened to her, she should have said so. There is absolutely no excuse for lying under oath. The judge agreed and that is why she now has a conviction for perjury and seven extra months added to her sentence.

[Eleanor]

Never mind.  This latest piece of insanity will just give Leonor Cipriano more compensation for inhuman treatment.
The Court of Human Rights does not work by Portuguese rules.
And that seven months will only amount to less than two months anyway.

[faithlilly]

Never mind.  This latest piece of insanity will just give Leonor Cipriano more compensation for inhuman treatment.
The Court of Human Rights does not work by Portuguese rules.
And that seven months will only amount to less than two months anyway.

What compensation ?