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Re: Elite detective squad to travel to Portugal within weeks.
« Reply #15 on: August 14, 2013, 03:49:14 PM »
I must have posted this half a dozen times. It was Rachel who contacted the BBC.

It should be pointed out, in terms of the media knowledge and divulgation, that witness RACHEL MAMPILLY, at around 2 a.m. on the morning of the 4th, assumes to have contacted the official British television BBC, through someone that she knew, reporting the disappearance and asking for it to be broadcast.

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Re: Elite detective squad to travel to Portugal within weeks.
« Reply #16 on: August 14, 2013, 03:50:18 PM »
I think that Bridget actiually worked on Crimewatch, and she was very aware of how important the first two hours were.  She, or he, describes how they watched the chaos of the PT police, from their balcony, with sinking hearts because the first period was such a mess, so chaotic.... and she realised that probably Madeleine was completely lost.
Jes had asked if they needed help searching and was told there was nothing he could do; she had been missing for three hours. Jes felt he should go anyway, but I wanted him to stay with us. I was a coward, afraid to be alone with the children - and afraid to be alone with my thoughts...
From the balcony we could see some figures scratching at the immense darkness with tiny torch lights. Police cars arrived and we thought that they would take control. We lay on the bed but we could not sleep.

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Re: Elite detective squad to travel to Portugal within weeks.
« Reply #17 on: August 14, 2013, 03:51:37 PM »
I must have posted this half a dozen times. It was Rachel who contacted the BBC.

I thought it couldn't be but a joke.

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Re: Elite detective squad to travel to Portugal within weeks.
« Reply #18 on: August 14, 2013, 04:39:08 PM »
Jes had asked if they needed help searching and was told there was nothing he could do; she had been missing for three hours. Jes felt he should go anyway, but I wanted him to stay with us. I was a coward, afraid to be alone with the children - and afraid to be alone with my thoughts...
From the balcony we could see some figures scratching at the immense darkness with tiny torch lights. Police cars arrived and we thought that they would take control. We lay on the bed but we could not sleep.

Extracts from:
My months with Madeleine The Guardian by Bridget O'Donnell

I knew that Bridgets heart sank for Madeleine, but this was the main reason:
http://www.mccannfiles.com/id96.html

Later, there was a knock on our apartment door and we let the two men in. One was a uniformed Portuguese policeman, the other his translator. The translator had a squint and sweated slightly. He was breathless, perhaps a little excited. We later found out he was Robert Murat. He reminded me of a boy in my class at school who was bullied.

Through Murat we answered a few questions and gave our details, which the policeman wrote down on the back of a bit of paper. No notebook. Then he pointed to the photocopied picture of Madeleine on the table. "Is this your daughter?" he asked. "Er, no," we said. "That's the girl you are meant to be searching for." My heart sank for the McCanns.

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Re: Elite detective squad to travel to Portugal within weeks.
« Reply #19 on: August 14, 2013, 04:53:11 PM »
the policeman wrote down on the back of a bit of paper. No notebook. Then he pointed to the photocopied picture of Madeleine on the table. "Is this your daughter?" he asked. "Er, no," we said. "That's the girl you are meant to be searching for." My heart sank for the McCanns. [/color]
This lady not only doesn't hesitate to publish her negative feelings about someone she just saw once, Mr Murat, but lacks singularly coherence when "her heart sank for the McCanns" despite having written just before : Madeleine must have been there, but I couldn't distinguish her from the others. They all looked the same - all blonde, all pink and pretty.

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Re: Elite detective squad to travel to Portugal within weeks.
« Reply #20 on: August 14, 2013, 04:57:54 PM »
Extracts from:
My months with Madeleine The Guardian by Bridget O'Donnell

I knew that Bridgets heart sank for Madeleine, but this was the main reason:
http://www.mccannfiles.com/id96.html

Later, there was a knock on our apartment door and we let the two men in. One was a uniformed Portuguese policeman, the other his translator. The translator had a squint and sweated slightly. He was breathless, perhaps a little excited. We later found out he was Robert Murat. He reminded me of a boy in my class at school who was bullied.

Through Murat we answered a few questions and gave our details, which the policeman wrote down on the back of a bit of paper. No notebook. Then he pointed to the photocopied picture of Madeleine on the table. "Is this your daughter?" he asked. "Er, no," we said. "That's the girl you are meant to be searching for." My heart sank for the McCanns.


Furthermore.

Our baby would not sleep and at about 8.30pm, Jes took him out for a walk in the buggy to settle him. Gerry was on his way back from checking on his children and the two men stopped to have a chat. They talked about daughters, fathers, families. Gerry was relaxed and friendly. They discussed the babysitting dilemmas at the resort and Gerry said that he and Kate would have stayed in too, if they had not been on holiday in a group. Jes returned to our apartment just before 9.30pm. We ate, drank wine, watched a DVD and then went to bed. On the ground floor, a completely catastrophic event was taking place. On the fourth floor of the next block, we were completely oblivious.

At 1am there was a frantic banging on our door. Jes got up to answer. I stayed listening in the dark. I knew it was bad; it could only be bad. I heard male mumbling, then Jes's voice. "You're joking?" he said. It wasn't the words, it was the tone that made me flinch. He came back in to the room. "Gerry's daughter's been abducted," he said. "She ..." I jumped up and went to check our children.
They were there. We sat down. We got up again. Weirdly, I did the washing-up. We wondered what to do. Jes had asked if they needed help searching and was told there was nothing he could do; she had been missing for three hours. Jes felt he should go anyway, but I wanted him to stay with us. I was a coward, afraid to be alone with the children - and afraid to be alone with my thoughts.

I once worked as a producer in the BBC crime unit. I directed many reconstructions and spent my second pregnancy producing new investigations for Crimewatch. Detectives would call me daily, detailing their cases, and some stories stay with me still, such as the ones about a girl being snatched from her bath, or her bike, or her garden and then held in the passenger seat, or stuffed in the boot. There was always a vehicle, and the first few hours were crucial to the outcome. Afterwards, they would be dumped naked in an alley, or at a petrol station with a £10 note to "get a cab back to Mummy". They would be found within an hour or two. Sometimes.

From the balcony we could see some figures scratching at the immense darkness with tiny torch lights. Police cars arrived and we thought that they would take control. We lay on the bed but we could not sleep.


The next morning, we made our way to breakfast and met one of the Doctors, the one who had come round in the night. His young daughter looked up at us from her pushchair. There was no news. They had called Sky television - they didn't know what else to do. He turned away and I could see he was going to weep.

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Re: Elite detective squad to travel to Portugal within weeks.
« Reply #21 on: August 14, 2013, 05:04:08 PM »
Extracts from Bridget O'Donnell

Through Murat we answered a few questions and gave our details, which the policeman wrote down on the back of a bit of paper. No notebook. Then he pointed to the photocopied picture of Madeleine on the table. "Is this your daughter?" he asked. "Er, no," we said. "That's the girl you are meant to be searching for." My heart sank for the McCanns.
 
Wrote it down on the back of a bit of paper .  No Notebook !

Jeez


"Is this your daughter" Police Officer to Bridget

"Er, no," we said. "That's the girl you are meant to be searching for."

No wonder her heart sank for Madeleine

AnneGuedes

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Re: Elite detective squad to travel to Portugal within weeks.
« Reply #22 on: August 14, 2013, 05:12:24 PM »
No wonder ? But she knew it : "they all looked the same - all blonde, all pink and pretty"

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Re: Elite detective squad to travel to Portugal within weeks.
« Reply #23 on: August 14, 2013, 05:52:50 PM »
No wonder ? But she knew it : "they all looked the same - all blonde, all pink and pretty"
You have said that twice Anne

What the hell are you trying to say?

Please spit it out, gal ... so we can understand what point you are trying to make

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Re: Elite detective squad to travel to Portugal within weeks.
« Reply #24 on: August 14, 2013, 06:00:03 PM »
Extracts from Bridget O'Donnell

Through Murat we answered a few questions and gave our details, which the policeman wrote down on the back of a bit of paper. No notebook. Then he pointed to the photocopied picture of Madeleine on the table. "Is this your daughter?" he asked. "Er, no," we said. "That's the girl you are meant to be searching for." My heart sank for the McCanns.
 
Wrote it down on the back of a bit of paper .  No Notebook !

Jeez


"Is this your daughter" Police Officer to Bridget

"Er, no," we said. "That's the girl you are meant to be searching for."

No wonder her heart sank for Madeleine


The reason Bridget O'Donnell, wrote this article in December 2007.

Throughout all this, I have always believed that Gerry and Kate McCann are innocent. When they were made suspects, when they were booed at, when one woman told me she was "glad" they had "done it" because it meant that her child was safe, I began to write this article - because I was there, and I believe that woman is wrong. There were no drug-fuelled "swingers" on our holiday; instead, there was a bunch of ordinary parents wearing Berghaus and worrying about sleep patterns. Secure in our banality, none of us imagined we were being watched. One group made a disastrous decision; Madeleine was vulnerable and was chosen. But in the face of such desperate audacity, it could have been any one of us.

The British police came round shortly after our return. Jes was pleased to give them a statement. The Portuguese police had never asked.Bridget O'Donnell is a writer and director.

The fee from this article will be donated to the Find Madeleine fund[/b]

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Re: Elite detective squad to travel to Portugal within weeks.
« Reply #25 on: August 14, 2013, 07:49:26 PM »
The Portuguese Police were best placed to carry out the investigation in 2007 and ultimately reported that there was no evidence of an abduction.  I cannot see that situation changing regardless how many so-called elite detectives as sent to the Algarve by Scotland Yard.

The delay in making any progress is indicative that the Portuguese are not keen to allow the UK police onto their patch since any breakthrough will inevitably refect badly on them.

There is no evidence that she is alive just as there is none that she is dead.  If her parents had cooperated with the Portuguese Police instead of running a Press campaign against them then the outcome might well have been so different.

So many questions...too few answers!

the Portuguese police were best placed but I don't think they had the competence to handle the investigation. I think it will be very interesting to see what SY come up with. They certainly wont be asking anyone to prove their innocence.

Offline Carana

Re: Elite detective squad to travel to Portugal within weeks.
« Reply #26 on: August 14, 2013, 08:31:18 PM »
The Portuguese Police were best placed to carry out the investigation in 2007 and ultimately reported that there was no evidence of an abduction.  I cannot see that situation changing regardless how many so-called elite detectives as sent to the Algarve by Scotland Yard.

The delay in making any progress is indicative that the Portuguese are not keen to allow the UK police onto their patch since any breakthrough will inevitably refect badly on them.

There is no evidence that she is alive just as there is none that she is dead.  If her parents had cooperated with the Portuguese Police instead of running a Press campaign against them then the outcome might well have been so different.

So many questions...too few answers!

Where do you get the idea that the parents ran a press campaign against the PJ?

The only public criticism came from the initial family interviews when they were panicking and mistakenly thought that nothing much was happening (and one comment from Kate when she eventually described Amaral as a disgrace).

Other than that, the parents don't seem to have criticised them at all, as far as I'm aware.

No one can control the British tabloids... they are a law unto themselves. They find an angle and run with it.

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Re: Elite detective squad to travel to Portugal within weeks.
« Reply #27 on: August 14, 2013, 09:08:27 PM »
Anyone know who's this theory is? and why its part of the official files?

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Re: Elite detective squad to travel to Portugal within weeks.
« Reply #28 on: August 14, 2013, 09:33:09 PM »
Anyone know who's this theory is? and why its part of the official files?

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/TIME_LINE_INFORMATION.htm
I would like to know that too.

It is one thing producing a timeline for a forum, but an entirely different matter for the Police to accept and use a time line and viewpoints from an amateur.  To effectively make them Official

Just who is Kazluz

Not our Luz, is s/he?

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Re: Elite detective squad to travel to Portugal within weeks.
« Reply #29 on: August 14, 2013, 09:58:42 PM »
Her username is KazluX, Sadie (not Kazluz).  She's just an anti poster from way back.  Dutch.
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