The DNA results used to implicate the McCanns revisited.

[VIXTE]

Because the PJ files say so.

Where do the PJ files say it? Can you provide the link?

[Silkywhiskers]

Where do the PJ files say it? Can you provide the link?

   
Report by Inspector Tavares de Almeida

Processos Vol X
Pages 2604 to 2608

Dated 3 September 2007.

This work resulted in 'alerts' by both dogs:

- cadaver odour [was alerted to]:
>> in the lounge, next to one of the windows, of apartment 5A;
>> in the current residence of the family, a soft toy of the girl Madeleine;
>> on various pieces of clothing;
>> on the key of the car used by the family;

[VIXTE]

   
Report by Inspector Tavares de Almeida

Processos Vol X
Pages 2604 to 2608

Dated 3 September 2007.

This work resulted in 'alerts' by both dogs:

- cadaver odour [was alerted to]:
>> in the lounge, next to one of the windows, of apartment 5A;
>> in the current residence of the family, a soft toy of the girl Madeleine;
>> on various pieces of clothing;
>> on the key of the car used by the family;

And this proves what? It is just a report where the dog alerted.. Cadave odour is nothing without a lab proof that a dead body was there.. especially after three months and especially because the same cadaver dog also alerts on dried blood from a live human beings.. the dog cannot distinguish whether he is alerting on dried blood or on cadaver.. therefore you cannot interpret it as a sign that a dead body was there..

Inspector Tavares de Almeida never made any conclusions on a dead body being there, he just plainly marked where the dog alerted.. he is clever enough to wait for the labs to decide what the dog has pointed at..

[Silkywhiskers]

And this proves what? It is just a report where the dog alerted.. Cadave odour is nothing without a lab proof that a dead body was there.. especially after three months and especially because the same cadaver dog also alerts on dried blood from a live human beings.. the dog cannot distinguish whether he is alerting on dried blood or on cadaver.. therefore you cannot interpret it as a sign that a dead body was there..

Inspector Tavares de Almeida never made any conclusions on a dead body being there, he just plainly marked where the dog alerted.. he is clever enough to wait for the labs to decide what the dog has pointed at..

Your ability to deny is remarkable.

[slartibartfast]

Nonsense.
If you believe that, three months after Madeleine disappeared, then I don't know what to say..

Eddie alerts on blood too.. so how do you know YOU know it ain't blood but 'the scent'

To be fair, the dog alerts; samples, if found, are taken and examined; results are obtained. It is not certain that the dog alerted to the samples obtained.

The one that is hard to explain is the alert where no samples were found.

[Mr Gray]

   
Report by Inspector Tavares de Almeida

Processos Vol X
Pages 2604 to 2608

Dated 3 September 2007.

This work resulted in 'alerts' by both dogs:

- cadaver odour [was alerted to]:
>> in the lounge, next to one of the windows, of apartment 5A;
>> in the current residence of the family, a soft toy of the girl Madeleine;
>> on various pieces of clothing;
>> on the key of the car used by the family;

Tavares was wrong...this is confirmred in the AG archiving report...the PJ got it wrong...this is confirmed in the AG report...Tavares is another convicted criminal but is still a serving PJ officer.

Tavares report is contradicted by Grime...and hes the expert...but if posters want to continue to make fools of themselves by claiming there is proof of a cadaver in 5a then please go ahead

[Cariad]

Thanks for that Red

I did not know that Martin Grimes had made that important distinction between the cadaver dog's alerts to the car and those he made in the McCanns apartment

I didn't either. It certainly looks like a significant statement....

[Benice]

Yes, the point is we just dont know, even mr Grime offers both possibilities vis a vis the car , ie blood or cadaver scent contaminant (but not re the apartment)****

@John
I havent got a link but Im pretty sure in Portugal the dna marker match requirement is extremely high, 18 or 19 , I will see if I can find it


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Report after car searches

It is my view that it is possible that the EVRD is alerting to 'cadaver scent'
contaminant or human blood scent.

Report regarding home searches

It is my view that it is possible that the EVRD is alerting to cadaver scent
contamination.

You note he always says ''cadaver SCENT'' and never ''a cadaver''.     This is because he is aware that cadaver scent does not necessarily equate to a dead body being the reason for an alert.         IIRC -   Isn't this what happened in Jersey where a large number of milk teeth were unearthed as a result of one of Eddie's alerts?   (from memory so could be wrong).

[Admin]

Reading between the lines several points can be deduced.

A.  It is not known what Eddie alerted to.

B. The DNA profiles wrt Madeleine were inconclusive.

C. The EVRD alerts and DNA profiling were effectively meaningless.

[VIXTE]

The one that is hard to explain is the alert where no samples were found.

Well, that is nothing again.. To develop the cadaver scent the body had to be there for hours.. which was impossible in Madeleine's case as at 7pm she was seen by David Payne.

Also, not sure about this, but I think that rigor mortis appear later in children due to low body mass and that this would also prolong the appearance of cadaver scent.

[pathfinder73]

Well, that is nothing again.. To develop the cadaver scent the body had to be there for hours.. which was impossible in Madeleine's case as at 7pm she was seen by David Payne.

Also, not sure about this, but I think that rigor mortis appear later in children due to low body mass and that this would also prolong the appearance of cadaver scent.

If she died then it most probably happened just before 7pm and they will be looking very closely at DP and his visit at 6.30-40. He can't even remember what Kate was wearing and said he went inside. Kate said she was wearing just a towel and he never came inside - was only there for 30 seconds. And one can't forget those sick allegations against DP. >@@(*&)

p.s. that quiz mistress couldn't remember seeing Kate or DP at the table on TUE night when Gerry invited her to join them. The night Madeleine was reported to be crying by Pamela Fenn and a cot reported to be in the parents bedroom the next day by the cleaner.

[AnneGuedes]

Reading between the lines several points can be deduced.

A.  It is not known what Eddie alerted to.

B. The DNA profiles wrt Madeleine were inconclusive.

C. The EVRD alerts and DNA profiling were effectively meaningless.

No for A and C.
A. No residue was found where Eddie alone alerted (3 places in G5A).
C. The DNA substance found at CSI's only alert didn't belong to the missing child.

[VIXTE]

If she died then it most probably happened just before 7pm and they will be looking very closely at DP and his visit at 6.30-40. He can't even remember what Kate was wearing and said he went inside. Kate said she was wearing just a towel and he never came inside - was only there for 30 seconds. And one can't forget those sick allegations against DP. >@@(*&)

p.s. that quiz mistress couldn't remember seeing Kate or DP at the table on TUE night when Gerry invited her to join them. The night Madeleine was reported to be crying by Pamela Fenn and a cot reported to be in the parents bedroom the next day by the cleaner.

IMO the whole group was checked up by SY.. they would be their first line of call when revisiting the case.. and if SY has decided the group was not involved than I am happy with that too..

I believe SY does have a sophisticated software where they get the percentages of the possibility that this or that happened. I know these types of software are present for marketing and sales purposes, so believe there is something similar in policing..

[pathfinder73]

IMO the whole group was checked up by SY.. they would be their first line of call when revisiting the case.. and if SY has decided the group was not involved than I am happy with that too..

I believe SY does have a sophisticated software where they get the percentages of the possibility that this or that happened. I know these types of software are present for marketing and sales purposes, so believe there is something similar in policing..

There are big discrepancies about that visit - if you think they are going to ignore these then you are living on a different planet. They will follow all other leads first to cover all possibilities until one is left. With the discrepancies of that visit and the daily routine change happening for the first time of the week (kids not going out to play) - then that time period stands out as being very suspicious and if anything happened to Madeleine this is the time that it probably did.

[VIXTE]

There are big discrepancies about that visit - if you think they are going to ignore these then you are living on a different planet. They will follow all other leads first to cover all possibilities until one is left. With the discrepancies of that visit and the daily routine change happening for the first time of the week (kids not going out to play) - then that time period stands out as being very suspicious and if anything happened to Madeleine this is the time that it probably did.

IMO this was checked.. SY has an ability to check DP from his nappies times to now..