The DNA results used to implicate the McCanns revisited.

[AnneGuedes]

This is where the oft-repeated myth may have originated (from the same interview I quoted earlier).

I don't know whether this is really a myth, Carana. The ice hypothesis was absurd, due to refusal of pragmatism. Moreover I'm not sure a Portuguese court would have accepted the LCN technique, had it be less inconclusive, 1) because this technique is far to be accepted outside of the UK and 2) because within a family of 5 the risk of mistake is too high.

[AnneGuedes]

Who took the decision to use the FSS?

What difference would it have made if the LCN had been done in a different country? 15 out of 37 alleles still wouldn't have been conclusive of anything wherever the test was done.

You know why they sent the samples to FSS Birmingham ? This decision speaks volumes and deserves to be looked at.
The Portuguese didn't invent the FSS, they were told the FSS would get conclusive results. They knew the Lisbon forensic institute probably wouldn't because the samples were very precarious. Sending the samples to Birmingham was another mistake of the PJ. A waste of time and money.

[sadie]

You know why they sent the samples to FSS Birmingham ? This decision speaks volumes and deserves to be looked at.
The Portuguese didn't invent the FSS, they were told the FSS would get conclusive results. They knew the Lisbon forensic institute probably wouldn't because the samples were very precarious. Sending the samples to Birmingham was another mistake of the PJ. A waste of time and money.

No it wasn't.  It proved that there was nothing in the car, or apartment, to incriminate the Mccanns.   Nothing !

When are you going to accept that Anne ?

Nothing

[Carana]

You know why they sent the samples to FSS Birmingham ? This decision speaks volumes and deserves to be looked at.
The Portuguese didn't invent the FSS, they were told the FSS would get conclusive results. They knew the Lisbon forensic institute probably wouldn't because the samples were very precarious. Sending the samples to Birmingham was another mistake of the PJ. A waste of time and money.

Where did you read that, Anne?

[DCI]

You know why they sent the samples to FSS Birmingham ? This decision speaks volumes and deserves to be looked at.
The Portuguese didn't invent the FSS, they were told the FSS would get conclusive results. They knew the Lisbon forensic institute probably wouldn't because the samples were very precarious. Sending the samples to Birmingham was another mistake of the PJ. A waste of time and money.

You might think it was a mistake, Anne.
But I'd hate to see what would have happened, to the McCann's, if they hadn't got proper results.

[AnneGuedes]

No it wasn't.  It proved that there was nothing in the car, or apartment, to incriminate the Mccanns.   Nothing !

When are you going to accept that Anne ?

Nothing

The body never was in the car (only one who believes no decent person would by pass funeral rituals could make such speculation), so sending samples to Birmingham because of the LCN technique was vain. IMO. Everybody knows why this laboratory had to close.
But the dogs were very useful, not because they found decaying human remains, it was obvious they wouldn't, but because death was smelt in the 5A and not elsewhere.

[AnneGuedes]

DCI

ETA: the PJ might have had a bit of a problem if they'd interviewed them a week later as they would have been entitled to read the DNA "evidence". Ooops.

DNA evidence (where are results obtained through the LCN technique accepted outside of the UK ?) is no "facto imputado", Carana.
What the law says is an arguido has the right to know, before answering questions, what he's suspect of. The difficulty in the Madeleine case is that the crime wasn't determined neither when the McCanns were made arguidos nor 10 months later !

[sadie]

The body never was in the car (only one who believes no decent person would by pass funeral rituals could make such speculation), so sending samples to Birmingham because of the LCN technique was vain. IMO. Everybody knows why this laboratory had to close.
But the dogs were very useful, not because they found decaying human remains, it was obvious they wouldn't, but because death was smelt in the 5A and not elsewhere.

Citation please Anne to prove that death was smelled in 5A.  Thank you in advance

[Admin]

This is a new topic relating to the DNA results

[DCI]

The body never was in the car (only one who believes no decent person would by pass funeral rituals could make such speculation), so sending samples to Birmingham because of the LCN technique was vain. IMO. Everybody knows why this laboratory had to close.
But the dogs were very useful, not because they found decaying human remains, it was obvious they wouldn't, but because death was smelt in the 5A and not elsewhere.

Why did the laboratory have to close?

[AnneGuedes]

It was losing 2 million pounds a month.

Interesting read

[Jean-Pierre]

Not one of the governments best decisions, IMO

[AnneGuedes]

"As soon as he came into the house, he (Eddie) picked up a scent that he recognized".
Search of 5A video.

[sadie]

"As soon as he came into the house, he (Eddie) picked up a scent that he recognized".
Search of 5A video.

Yep he recognises blood, doesn't he? .... as well as Cadavar odour

Think I am right in saying that after the Mccanns left, four other groups came in.  Please tell me if I have this incorrect.

One man cut himself badly shaving and walked about the place whilst trying to stop the blood flow.

Yep, Eddie smelt blood.  That's for sure

[ferryman]

...they were told the FSS would get conclusive results.

All any forensic laboratory can do is interpret the material it is presented with honestly and competently.

The FSS did that.

So, too, did the Portuguese forensic laboratory ...