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Re: The 'arguido' interviews and the impact of lawyers advice.
« Reply #45 on: August 23, 2013, 05:10:57 PM »
A new thread.  The 'arguido' interviews continued.

* Was Kate McCann right to refuse to answer police questions at the police interview?

* Was their lawyer helpful when he suggested that they might wish to consider confessing?
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Re: The 'arguido' interviews and the impact of lawyers advice.
« Reply #46 on: August 23, 2013, 05:22:39 PM »
A new thread.  The 'arguido' interviews continued.

* Was Kate McCann right to refuse to answer police questions at the police interview?

* Was their lawyer helpful when he suggested that they might wish to consider confessing?

Answers:

Yes

And no.

AnneGuedes

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Re: The 'arguido' interviews and the impact of lawyers advice.
« Reply #47 on: August 23, 2013, 05:35:03 PM »
As Angelo said, the use of the right not to answer was by default. This position can save time to reflect, but sooner or later reality has to be faced.
The lawyer's advise shows he wasn't sure the McCanns were not involved, otherwise he would have advised the truth, as did Bob Smart. Smartly I must say.

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« Reply #48 on: August 23, 2013, 05:49:35 PM »
As Angelo said, the use of the right not to answer was by default. This position can save time to reflect, but sooner or later reality has to be faced.
The lawyer's advise shows he wasn't sure the McCanns were not involved, otherwise he would have advised the truth, as did Bob Smart. Smartly I must say.

Those questions were based on the premise that Madeleine had been 'murdered'.

The PJ called the McCanns' bluff by threatening that unless Kate, at least, confessed to finding and concealing a body, both Kate and Gerry would be charged with murder.

The McCanns (as we know) confessed to nothing and were charged with nothing.

That is because the PJ had nothing (against the McCanns) ...

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« Reply #49 on: August 23, 2013, 06:02:33 PM »
This isn't true, Ferryman, and you know that. You're speaking like Ms McCann, who since that disastrous claim, stopped being heard of. The lawyer denied it (see the Guardian, very pro McCann), bargains are simply not possible under Romano Germanic legal system.

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« Reply #50 on: August 23, 2013, 06:05:05 PM »
This isn't true, Ferryman, and you know that. You're speaking like Ms McCann, who since that disastrous claim, stopped being heard of. The lawyer denied it (see the Guardian, very pro McCann), bargains are simply not possible under Romano Germanic legal system.

It is true, written in the files and I have produced the relevant quote.

Here it is again:

Faced with new elements revealed by the dog handling unit's search, attached to the report, and on the basis of Mark Harrison's report, there is every reason to believe that the small child Madeleine McCann died in apartment 5A where she was spending her holiday with her parents at the Ocean Club in Praia da Luz. Following the markings by the cadaver odour detecting dogs and traces of human blood inside the apartment from which the child disappeared, we have done further extensive research, revealing that there was never a death, or a body, notified in this same apartment before. In this report, several places were marked, signalling the presence of cadaver odour and human blood. In addition, we can observe that a cadaver odour was detected in the garden adjacent to apartment 5A. Nothing was detected in the other residences.

It follows from this investigation that there are indications, in practice and in the facts, of the crime of murder such as defined in ArticleQI310 of the Penal Code.
So as to go further with this lead, of which certain results may reveal new evidence, we request authorisation to carry out further inspections, within the legal framework, in two distinct places:

1 - Rue des Fleurs no...The McCann family's current residence in Portugal.
2 - Rented vehicle Renault Scenic, registration ...DA - 27.

We suggest that this inspection is entrusted to the PJ and ask the Public Prosecutor for a 20 day mandate. Thus, we consider that there are indications that consolidate strong suspicions according to which, there are elements of evidence of a crime, inside the vehicle used by the McCann's and, moreover, likely to reveal important details of fundamental importance for the investigation.

 
Villa rue des Fleurs.

4th section down, marked by the blue band:


http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/EDDIE-KEELA.htm
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AnneGuedes

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« Reply #51 on: August 23, 2013, 07:07:00 PM »
Ferryman, are you kidding ? What has this report to do with the bargain imagined by Ms McCann ?
Concerning the report you sent the link of, why is it translated from French and where is the original ?

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Re: The 'arguido' interviews and the impact of lawyers advice.
« Reply #52 on: August 23, 2013, 07:13:58 PM »
Ferryman, are you kidding ? What has this report to do with the bargain imagined by Ms McCann ?
Concerning the report you sent the link of, why is it translated from French and where is the original ?

The McCanns were threatened that unless one (Kate) confessed to finding and concealing a body, both would be charged with murder.

The 'deal' was that if Kate confessed, Gerry would get off scott free and Kate would serve only a couple of years ...

My guess is that if they had fallen for the 'sucker punch', both would have been charged with murder.

That is only a guess, though ...

AnneGuedes

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« Reply #53 on: August 23, 2013, 07:30:15 PM »
Ferryman, that story supposed to make people cry isn't in the files.

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« Reply #54 on: August 23, 2013, 07:34:40 PM »
Ferryman, that story supposed to make people cry isn't in the files.

It is in the files that the PJ (at one point) considered that Madeleine had been murdered (yes, murdered) in apartment 5a.

Given that the McCanns have maintained, from start to finish, that Madeleine was abducted, what options does that leave?

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Re: The 'arguido' interviews and the impact of lawyers advice.
« Reply #55 on: August 23, 2013, 07:52:07 PM »
What Portuguese word is translated by "murdered", if you please ?

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Re: The 'arguido' interviews and the impact of lawyers advice.
« Reply #56 on: August 23, 2013, 07:56:53 PM »
It is in the files that the PJ (at one point) considered that Madeleine had been murdered (yes, murdered) in apartment 5a.

Given that the McCanns have maintained, from start to finish, that Madeleine was abducted, what options does that leave?

Tavares said that the death was not due to an accident. So what does that leave?
Kate's 500 Mile Cycle Challenge

https://www.justgiving.com/KateMcCann/

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Re: The 'arguido' interviews and the impact of lawyers advice.
« Reply #57 on: August 23, 2013, 08:20:35 PM »
Tavares said that the death was not due to an accident. So what does that leave?
How could he affirm that ? Manslaughter isn't murder. This distinction exists in Portuguese.


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Re: The 'arguido' interviews and the impact of lawyers advice.
« Reply #58 on: August 23, 2013, 09:09:40 PM »
What Portuguese word is translated by "murdered", if you please ?

The translation was rendered by Anna Esse.

I notice that the Portuguese original  for that particular section is not available for that particular section.

Are you suggesting Anna Esse got it wrong?
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« Reply #59 on: August 23, 2013, 11:37:48 PM »
The translation was rendered by Anna Esse.

I notice that the Portuguese original  for that particular section is not available for that particular section.

Are you suggesting Anna Esse got it wrong?
French isn't Anna Esse's mother language. Where is the Portuguese original and who did translate it in French and what for ?