The 'arguido' interviews and the impact of lawyers advice.

[Chinagirl]

Yet more examples of why the McCanns and SY didn't rely on the translations of the files by amateurs with a biased point of view .....

[Carana]

But my point was the translation for arguido in the inquiry, a part of the process that wasn't requested, just because the prerogatives of the arguido in the inquiry are different from his part in the investigation. That's all !
Could you please indicate where you found "arguido" translated "defendant" in the files ? It would certainly be kind and useful to indicate the mistakes that exist in the translations in order to correct them.

In checking various translations of the term "factos imputados", I stumbled upon something that I found perplexing until the penny dropped.
Depending on the context, I found (unsurprisingly) that "factos imputados" can mean "alleged facts", "the facts complained of"... and "charges".
Looking more closely at where the term was used to mean "charges" (clearly in a criminal context), I found that "arguido" had been translated as "defendant".
I then realised that the meaning of "arguido" itself depended on context: from "person of interest" to "defendant" as the status remains all the way through to conviction or aquittal if a case is taken to court.
I then decided to have a look at the document that the Madeleine arguidos had signed.
"Constituição de arguido" was - in my opinion - mistranslated as "Being held as a defendant", which gives a somewhat different impression to an English speaker. I presume that whoever translated it had found the terms used in the context of a trial setting.
Just taking Gerry's as an example.

It was on the original PJ arguido form, which was in both languages... so you'll have to contact the PJ about that. I posted the jpg of the form, and you commented on it.

[faithlilly]

Yet more examples of why the McCanns and SY didn't rely on the translations of the files by amateurs with a biased point of view .....

If the sceptics translations are so bad it begs the question why didn't supporters ever rectify the situation by doing their own error-free translations ?

[sadie]

If the sceptics translations are so bad it begs the question why didn't supporters ever rectify the situation by doing their own error-free translations ?

Many more sceptics than pros are Portuguese, maybe because they are supporting their PJ and Nationalistic.   English is commonly understood and spoken in PT.      Whilst few Brits, without PT roots, speak Portuguese.  French, German, Spanish maybe, but not PT Portuguese

So translations more likely to be done by sceptics

[faithlilly]

Many more sceptics than pros are Portuguese, maybe because they are supporting their PJ and Nationalistic.   English is commonly understood and spoken in PT.      Whilst few Brits, without PT roots, speak Portuguese.  French, German, Spanish maybe, but not PT Portuguese

So translations more likely to be done by sceptics

Or perhaps their sceptical simply because they think the McCanns are hiding something ?

[sadie]

Well the question was, why didn't the pros do translations?

And as far as I can see, most Pros are British.    Few Brits speak PT. 

PT peeps often speak English and are also more likely to be  sceptics/ [ censored word ]s

OK ?

[faithlilly]

Well the question was, why didn't the pros do translations?

And as far as I can see, most Pros are British.    Few Brits speak PT. 

PT peeps often speak English and are also more likely to be  sceptics/ [ censored word ]s

OK ?

Fantastic sadie.

So, according to your good self, most Portuguese people are bi-lingual and therefore certainly cleverer than your average Brit.

No wonder they disbelieve the McCanns.

[Chinagirl]

So, according to your good self, most Portuguese people are bi-lingual and therefore certainly cleverer than your average Brit.

Bilingualism on its own doesn't equate with "cleverness!"

Sadie made a perfectly valid observation:  English is far more widely understood in Portugal than Portuguese is in England.  As is the case in most European countries.

[faithlilly]

So, according to your good self, most Portuguese people are bi-lingual and therefore certainly cleverer than your average Brit.

Bilingualism on its own doesn't equate with "cleverness!"

Sadie made a perfectly valid observation:  English is far more widely understood in Portugal than Portuguese is in England.  As is the case in most European countries.

Bilingualism on it's own may not categorically prove a quick intellect but it is certainly a good marker.

[AnneGuedes]

If the sceptics translations are so bad it begs the question why didn't supporters ever rectify the situation by doing their own error-free translations ?

It surely begs the question ! Pros, as they call themselves, use the work of others for free and moreover attack and contempt that work and those who did it ! How pretty !
The pros though are so many that it wouldn't cost much to each one of them to have the files properly translated.
I can't believe they don't do it because of some vulgar money issue, it would be too shameful.
So why don't they organize themselves to have proper translations ?

[faithlilly]

It surely begs the question ! Pros, as they call themselves, use the work of others for free and moreover attack and contempt that work and those who did it ! How pretty !
The pros though are so many that it wouldn't cost much to each one of them to have the files properly translated.
I can't believe they don't do it because of some vulgar money issue, it would be too shameful.
So why don't they organize themselves to have proper translations ?

An interesting idea Anne. Perhaps they could start a fund.

[Chinagirl]

Pointless.  Scotland Yard is now investigating, having reviewed accurate, unbiased translations of the original files, and moreover, things have moved on since the release of the files.

[AnneGuedes]

An interesting idea Anne. Perhaps they could start a fund.

You know what the hungry fox who couldn't reach the grapes pretended : you aren't even ripe yet! I don't need any sour grapes!

[Angelo222]

Anne is spot on when she states that the 'arguido' status can mean many different things at various points in an investigation.  The term can be used to identify an official suspect, a defendant who has been charged with an offence and a convicted person as in the case of Mr Amaral.

In the case of the McCanns it can be rightly applied to them as official suspects.

[Chinagirl]

In the case of the McCanns it can be rightly applied to them as official suspects.

But not since July 2008.