The 'arguido' interviews and the impact of lawyers advice.

[Carana]

I think that the mods are right in this instance... what is the connection between paternity issues and arguido status in this case?

[AnneGuedes]

(screaming in the deset)

[AnneGuedes]

I think that the mods are right in this instance... what is the connection between paternity issues and arguido status in this case?

I've finally understood that in your quest of abusive translations for "arguido", you found what appeared to you as "juicy" : an "horrified reaction regarding the reconstruction" of Mr O'Brian who reports that the Public Prosecutor, in a letter, considered the McCanns as offenders.
You couldn't resist to denounce a serious and misleading translation, though you had no evidence of it except for an hearsay of Mr O'Brien. 
You didn't reply simply because there's no proof that the letter sent by the Public Prosecutor was mistranslated.
But you raised involuntarily a very interesting point : who told Mr O'Brien that the McCanns were considered guilty by the Public Prosecutor ?

[Carana]

As I've said before, I have no idea where Russell got the idea of offender from. However, it would seem to be an odd thing to invent as an objection in replying to the police.

A potential source of confusion could have arisen if any of the correspondence included "denunciado / arguido". This terminology was used in the PJ final report, but I haven't found it used in the context of the reconstruction.

NUIPC-201/07.0 GALGS
4th Brigade
Inspector João Carlos
Denouncer/Offended – Judiciary Police
Denunciated/Arguidos
-
Robert James Queriol Evelegh Murat
,
identified and questioned at pgs. 1170, 1947 and
1959.
*
Gerald Patrick McCann
, identified and
questioned at pgs. 2569.
*
Kate Marie Healy
, identified and questioned at
pgs. 2557

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/PJ_Report_English_Translation.pdf

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/P17/17_VOLUME_XVIIa_Page_4525.jpg

[AnneGuedes]

There's no "offender" here as translation for "arguido'. If this ridiculous idea didn't originate in Mr O'Brien's head, it was suggested to him somehow.

[Carana]

I wonder if the McCanns' lawyer was told that Eddie reacted inside the boot? If so, it might have contributed to his advice to Kate.


In de Almeida's interim report, de Almeida seemed to be under the impression that Eddie had been.

7. Vehicle used by the McCann family
7.1. Cadaver dog:
* Marked the key of the car
* Marked the interior of the booth
7.2. Blood dog
* Marked the car key
* Marked the interior of the booth

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/TAVARES_ALMEIDA.htm



What Grime actually said was that he didn't intend to put the dog inside the car (just before 4mins).

 Verbal Report of Martin Grime Referring to the Search Made of Vehicles Using the Dogs

Transcription/Translation


Vehicle No 1 - number plate 75-AG-62
Vehicle No2 - number plate 45-49-ER
Vehicle No3 - number plate RI-96-03
Vehicle No4 - number plate 59-DA-27
Vehicle No5 - number plate 96-26-VE
Vehicle No6 - number plate 44-77-KD
Vehicle No7 - number plate VH-24-22
Vehicle No8 - number plate 57-12-HP
Vehicle No9 - number plate 10-91-FP
Vehicle No10 - number plate 07-50-UI

We examined the cars with the dog and the only reaction we got was in relation to the car in the extreme corner. I will indicate that it was the Renault. What we have is a reaction to this door here, where (the dog) lifts its head in the air and sniffs for the objects which it has been trained to detect. And when we limit our movements, the dog chooses this car, this door. It is important to know that the dog chooses the odour that comes from the lower part of the door. Based on this information, I will try to place the dog inside the car.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARTIN_GRIMES.htm

This is not an error from the volunteer translators, it was whoever translated the verbal transcript into Portuguese for the PJ.



That could explain that mistake, but just from observing the distinct markings on Keela and Eddie, someone should have noticed that it wasn't Eddie.

[Benice]

Quote From Amarals book

- The CSI dog, Keela, signalled the presence of human blood where Eddie, the EVRD dog, marked the presence of cadaver odour - on the floor tiles behind the sofa in the lounge, on the key and in the boot of the Renault Scenic that was used by the McCanns from May 27th onwards. 
End quote

So if Grime did not put Eddie in the car - then Amaral's claim that Eddie alerted to cadavour odour in the boot of the car is not true.


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[Carana]

Quote From Amarals book

- The CSI dog, Keela, signalled the presence of human blood where Eddie, the EVRD dog, marked the presence of cadaver odour - on the floor tiles behind the sofa in the lounge, on the key and in the boot of the Renault Scenic that was used by the McCanns from May 27th onwards. 
End quote

So if Grime did not put Eddie in the car - then Amaral's claim that Eddie alerted to cadavour odour in the boot of the car is not true.

But Amaral could quote Tavares de Almeida's interim report to justify his position, and could presumably state that he had no idea that TdeA or the translator had got it wrong. If he'd actually watched the video, he might have noticed that it wasn't the same dog.


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[Carana]

How far can he justify having got details wrong due to selective reading of documents, and how far could public opinion be swayed in favour of assuming that he was actually aware of the details in the case?

[Carana]

The silence is deafening...

[Carana]

Quote From Amarals book

- The CSI dog, Keela, signalled the presence of human blood where Eddie, the EVRD dog, marked the presence of cadaver odour - on the floor tiles behind the sofa in the lounge, on the key and in the boot of the Renault Scenic that was used by the McCanns from May 27th onwards. 
End quote

So if Grime did not put Eddie in the car - then Amaral's claim that Eddie alerted to cadavour odour in the boot of the car is not true.

And there never was a boot well in the Grand Scenic...

They could stand up in court that this is what they had assumed at the time. Depending on the mysteries of PT law, that may be accepted.

But shouldn't top investigators have checked?


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[Luz]

And there never was a boot well in the Grand Scenic...

They could stand up in court that this is what they had assumed at the time. Depending on the mysteries of PT law, that may be accepted.

But shouldn't top investigators have checked?


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It's quite amusing that you (and your partners) have chosen as an excuse for your twisted reading of the documents, the portuguese inadequacy to translate or read translated documents.

Allow me to be a trifle arrogant. We may not express ourselves in the best english semantics and syntax but we, as a nation, have been trained since birth to understand several foreign languages, and in the Algarve, where we have been almost colonized, especially English.


a boot = a boot
and almost every car has a boot well in or under....Mine is not a Grand Scenic and it is under.

[Carana]

I don't recall Amaral himself talking about a wheel well.

The myth of "bodily fluids" and "clumps of hair" in the "spare tyre well" with elastic percentages of her DNA (88% or 100%) was all over the press back in September 07, just after the McCanns had gone back to the UK. And still gets repeated as a trooo fact today.

[Carana]

It's quite amusing that you (and your partners) have chosen as an excuse for your twisted reading of the documents, the portuguese inadequacy to translate or read translated documents.

Allow me to be a trifle arrogant. We may not express ourselves in the best english semantics and syntax but we, as a nation, have been trained since birth to understand several foreign languages, and in the Algarve, where we have been almost colonized, especially English.


a boot = a boot
and almost every car has a boot well in or under....Mine is not a Grand Scenic and it is under.

Including Amaral?