The Tavares de Almeida torture conviction and its relevance to the case of Madeleine McCann.

[Benice]

Not silly questions, just pertinent.

To which you cannot answer.

Now prove to me the man tortured someone and then tell me what does this have to do with the Mccanns case.

The unpalatable fact you cannot bear in this case, is there is no proof of abduction, and without that you can only look in one direction..............

THE MCCANNS.

Still trying to divert I see.  The answers to your 'pertinent' questions regarding Tavares are contained in your own post No.406.

I presume you are not going to answer my question relating to what the Barry George case has got to do with this case. 

Do your powers of '' Reason and Logic'' stretch to explaining why you believe you know better than SY who have stated that the McCanns and their friends are neither suspects nor persons of interest in this case. 

What is it you know that they appear to have overlooked.    Do tell.

[stephen25000]

Still trying to divert I see.  The answers to your 'pertinent' questions regarding Tavares are contained in your own post No.406.

I presume you are not going to answer my question relating to what the Barry George case has got to do with this case. 

Do your powers of '' Reason and Logic'' stretch to explaining why you believe you know better than SY who have stated that the McCanns and their friends are neither suspects nor persons of interest in this case. 

What is it you know that they appear to have overlooked.    Do tell.

Oh dear.

As you and a few others keep referring to SY.

Barry George...Redwood...incompetent.

Get the connection ?

SY believe she may have been abducted.

So where is the proof of abdication ?

Meanwhile what has any member of the PJ got to do with the disappearance of Madeleine from the apartment ?

[stephen25000]

Two inspectors PJ convicted of torture
Lawyer shows the victim was relieved by the end of a process that has dragged on for 13 years. "From what I understand, it is the first time that such a process leads to the conviction of persons in concrete," says the Express.

Rui Gustavo and Ricardo Marques
17:44 Friday, January 25, 2013

Two chief inspectors of the PJ were sentenced today to prison terms of two and a half years, suspended upon payment of a fine in that monthly period, for having tortured a man DCCB's premises in March 2000. Another element of PJ was acquitted.

In a judgment with about 40 pages, the Lisbon Criminal Court sentenced the two chief inspectors of the Judicial Police to pay each month, each, the sum of 80 euros for a fund that will ultimately accrue to the victim, Virgolino Borges, who was assistant in the process. The decision was known in 3. ª stick, by 14h30.

Jerónimo Martins, lawyer Virgolino Borges, was relieved by the end of a process that has dragged on for 13 years. "From what I understand, it is the first time that such a process leads to the conviction of persons in concrete," he told Express.

The three inspectors - Diamond José dos Santos, Vitor Tavares de Almeida and Antonio Alves da Cunha, were part of the same brigade of the then Central Directorate for Combating Gangsterism (DCCB). In March 2000, Virgolino Borges was taken to the PJ on suspicion of theft (a process that eventually involved). On days 2 and 3, he complained, was beaten repeatedly with a board and punched in the feet by PJ inspectors.

In a first phase investigation, the prosecutor eventually dismiss the case. At that time, consisted Virgolino assistant and requested the opening statement - which culminated in the indictment of three police for the crime of torture, criminal whose frame varies between one and five years in prison.

The two defendants, Diamantino dos Santos de Almeida and Tavares were convicted co-author and should appeal the conviction.

The three inspectors Judicial, both now convicted and who was acquitted, all remain active.

http://expresso.sapo.pt/dois-inspetores ... ra=f782292

Same question to you, what has this man got to do with the disappearance of Madeleine from the apartment ?

[Jean-Pierre]

Stephen - I don't really know whether you are being tick or just obtuse.  Tavares was one of the investigating team on the McCanns case.  He wrote the interim report.  He has been convicted of being involved in the torture of a person in another case. 

The relevance is that it is a measure of the man and his methods, and is therefore pertinent to any case in which he is involved. 

It is also interesting to see just how many of Amarals cronies are in trouble with the law.   

[stephen25000]

Stephen - I don't really know whether you are being tick or just obtuse.  Tavares was one of the investigating team on the McCanns case.  He wrote the interim report.  He has been convicted of being involved in the torture of a person in another case. 

The relevance is that it is a measure of the man and his methods, and is therefore pertinent to any case in which he is involved. 

It is also interesting to see just how many of Amarals cronies are in trouble with the law.   

Whatever involvement he may or may not have had, it does not mean he got it wrong in this case.

Please stop clutching at straws.

Put the blame where it belongs.

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[Benice]

Oh dear.

As you and a few others keep referring to SY.

Barry George...Redwood...incompetent.

Get the connection ?

SY believe she may have been abducted.

So where is the proof of abdication ?

Meanwhile what has any member of the PJ got to do with the disappearance of Madeleine from the apartment ?

So where is Redwood's criminal record for corrupt practices?

And what has the Barry George case got to do with the abduction of Madeleine from the apartment?

McCann case - Tavares - corrupt police officer with a criminal record for torturing a witness.
McCann case  - Amaral  - corrupt police officer with a criminal record for falsifying documents about a witness.

See anything there to worry about if they were investigating you Stephen?  Or would you prefer Redwood?

[stephen25000]

So where is Redwood's criminal record for corrupt practices?

And what has the Barry George case got to do with the abduction of Madeleine from the apartment?

McCann case - Tavares - corrupt police officer with a criminal record for torturing a witness.
McCann case  - Amaral  - corrupt police officer with a criminal record for falsifying documents about a witness.

See anything there to worry about if they were investigating you Stephen?  Or would you prefer Redwood?

What Tavares and Amaral may or may not have done, does not mean, like the rest of the PJ they got it fundamentally wrong in this case.


So by bringing them into the discussion I have every right to bring in Redwood, who with his colleagues  got it so wrong in the Jill Dando case.

So you can't have your cake and eat it.

[sadie]

So where is Redwood's criminal record for corrupt practices?

And what has the Barry George case got to do with the abduction of Madeleine from the apartment?

McCann case - Tavares - corrupt police officer with a criminal record for torturing a witness.
McCann case  - Amaral  - corrupt police officer with a criminal record for falsifying documents about a witness.

See anything there to worry about if they were investigating you Stephen?  Or would you prefer Redwood?

Excellent post Benice 

To the point and concisely put

[Benice]

What Tavares and Amaral may or may not have done, does not mean, like the rest of the PJ they got it fundamentally wrong in this case.


So by bringing them into the discussion I have every right to bring in Redwood, who with his colleagues  got it so wrong in the Jill Dando case.

So you can't have your cake and eat it.

Wasn't it your demand in a previous post that we should only ''concentrate on this case''?  Make your mind up Stephen.

As investigating officers  - Tavares and Amaral are part of this case and therefore their idea of what constitutes acceptable policing is very relevant.       

 Redwood on the other hand was never part of the case.

[stephen25000]

Wasn't it your demand in a previous post that we should only ''concentrate on this case''?  Make your mind up Stephen.

As investigating officers  - Tavares and Amaral are part of this case and therefore their idea of what constitutes acceptable policing is very relevant.       

 Redwood on the other hand was never part of the case.

Well as he is part of the review team, he is.

[Carana]

Not silly questions, just pertinent.

To which you cannot answer.

Now prove to me the man tortured someone and then tell me what does this have to do with the Mccanns case.

The unpalatable fact you cannot bear in this case, is there is no proof of abduction, and without that you can only look in one direction..............

THE MCCANNS.

Jean-Pierre already posted the conviction of Tavares de Almeida for torture in a different case. Did you miss it?

[stephen25000]

Jean-Pierre already posted the conviction of Tavares de Almeida for torture in a different case. Did you miss it?

No.

Now tell me what this man has to do with the disappearance of Madeleine ?

As a brief reminder, ONCE AGAIN, the consensus of the PJ, not just one man, is that the parents were involved in covering up what happened to Madeleine.

[sadie]

No.

Now tell me what this man has to do with the disappearance of Madeleine ?

As a brief reminder, ONCE AGAIN, the consensus of the PJ, not just one man, is that the parents were involved in covering up what happened to Madeleine.

Already answered either on this thread or the other thread ... today

[stephen25000]

Already answered either on this thread or the other thread ... today

i.e. He has NOTHING to do with Madeleine's disappearance.

[Carana]

I don't know about the rest of you.

I would have been totally franctic at the idea that one of my loved one's had disappeared, let alone in a foreign country in which I didn't understand the language.

I would have been doubly frantic if I had known that certain police officers had more than dubious allegations against them.