The Tavares de Almeida torture conviction and its relevance to the case of Madeleine McCann.

[DCI]

I believe he did DCI. Was that just before he went on leave?

Yes, How convenient the date was too.

The interim report of Tavares de Almeida of the Portuguese Police, 10 September 2007

[Lyall]

Didn't he write the interim report Anna?

The man has relevance to the case of course - he was a part of the team or teams working on the case - but his conviction doesn't.

So the thread title should be changed at least.

[stephen25000]

He was connected to the case along with many others from McCanns connections also. That makes them of interest in the case of Madeleine, Lyall. And as you said another bad egg.....

That does not mean there was any connection to torture in this case.

It is called clutching at straws.

[Carana]

But the question posed by the thread title has already been answered if nobody has produced evidence of relevance in 18 months.

And answered also in the Summers and Swan book I reckon.

No relevance &%&£(+

He wrote, or at least signed, the police report produced just after the McCanns had been made arguidos.

Read it quietly sometime, Lyall...

[Benice]

The thread was started in October 2013 but nobody has produced any evidence there's any relevance.

It's just been a queue of people saying: we don't like the bloke.

I think that's a given, but it's not a thread.

So you don't think the fact that the lead investigator and his 2nd in command (Tavares) have been proved to be bent coppers who were abusing their positions of trust as policemen even before the McCann case -  is of any relevance to the McCann case itself - and we should ignore it?   

I've heard it all now.

[Lyall]

So you don't think the fact that the lead investigator and his 2nd in command (Tavares) have been proved to be bent coppers who were abusing their positions of trust as policemen even before the McCann case -  is of any relevance to the McCann case itself - and we should ignore it?   

I've heard it all now.

So what is the relevance? What are you accusing them of doing?

[stephen25000]

So you don't think the fact that the lead investigator and his 2nd in command (Tavares) have been proved to be bent coppers who were abusing their positions of trust as policemen even before the McCann case -  is of any relevance to the McCann case itself - and we should ignore it?   

I've heard it all now.

Amaral was the coordinator.

Not an investigator.

it is only certain people who wish to link torture to this case and it has become truly pathetic.

How about starting a thread on Redwood and his 'achievements' in this and other cases he has been involved with ?

Now that would be interesting.

[Anna]

Back on topic please

[misty]

Amaral was the coordinator.

Not an investigator.

it is only certain people who wish to link torture to this case and it has become truly pathetic.

How about starting a thread on Redwood and his 'achievements' in this and other cases he has been involved with ?

Now that would be interesting.

Malinka claimed he was beaten up during his interrogation on 16/5/07. Interviewed as a witness, he had no lawyer present. Is that not relevant?

Amaral was the person responsible for putting all the pieces of evidence together in the correct order to solve case. He instructed his team - or he was instrumental in ensuring orders from higher echelons were carried out.

Your attempts to shift the focus onto Redwood's achievements merely highlight the obvious - the only justice you are prepared to accept is the conviction of the McCanns, rightly or wrongly.

[stephen25000]

Malinka claimed he was beaten up during his interrogation on 16/5/07. Interviewed as a witness, he had no lawyer present. Is that not relevant?

Amaral was the person responsible for putting all the pieces of evidence together in the correct order to solve case. He instructed his team - or he was instrumental in ensuring orders from higher echelons were carried out.

Your attempts to shift the focus onto Redwood's achievements merely highlight the obvious - the only justice you are prepared to accept is the conviction of the McCanns, rightly or wrongly.

No actually, all this thread has done is to highlight the desperation of mccann supporters, and try and take attention from their failure at the trial in Portugal.

and do try to remember, i know this is difficult for you to admit, that most of his colleagues  thought the same as well. 

Well, I've initiated a thread on Redwood, now let's see if surfaces.

P.S. Is there anything to back up Malinka's claim ?

[misty]

No actually, all this thread has done is to highlight the desperation of mccann supporters, and try and take attention from their failure at the trial in Portugal.

and do try to remember, i know this is difficult for you to admit, that most of his colleagues  thought the same as well.

Well, I've initiated a thread on Redwood, now let's see if surfaces.

Are you saying that most of Amaral's colleagues supported his hypothesis too? I didn't quite get that impression when they spoke at the libel trial.
It must have escaped your notice that several of those recently questioned also publicly seemed to believe in the abduction theory (laundryman & his "man under the stairs", gardenerman & the note, RM to name but 3).
Please do not confuse the libel case with the investigation. Whether or not the McCanns are awarded damages as a result of THAT ex-cop's despicable actions is almost immaterial imo - finding Madeleine is what matters to anyone who is a true McCann "supporter".

[stephen25000]

Are you saying that most of Amaral's colleagues supported his hypothesis too? I didn't quite get that impression when they spoke at the libel trial.
It must have escaped your notice that several of those recently questioned also publicly seemed to believe in the abduction theory (laundryman & his "man under the stairs", gardenerman & the note, RM to name but 3).
Please do not confuse the libel case with the investigation. Whether or not the McCanns are awarded damages as a result of THAT ex-cop's despicable actions is almost immaterial imo - finding Madeleine is what matters to anyone who is a true McCann "supporter".

'Despicable ex-cop'  ??

Were you at the libel trial ?

Where of course the mccanns failed on multiple levels to prove their case.

Tut,tut.

What about the 'despicable parents' who placed their children in unnecessary danger ??

and where poignantly, where do you think Madeleine will be found ??

Is it where Edgar stated, 'in a lawless village 10 miles from PDL' ?

[misty]

http://newsoutlines.blogspot.co.uk/2009/12/police-beat-me-up-james-wickham-22.html

22 September 2007
Daily Star
James Wickham

RUSSIAN computer expert Sergei Malinka last night alleged that police investigating Madeleine's disappearance beat him up.  He was questioned because of his links to British ex-pat Robert Murat, 33, who was named as an official suspect earlier in the inquiry. Malinka, 22, claimed an officer assaulted him during his interrogation. He said: "The state has the power and the duty to investigate crimes and their eventual suspects.


"What it cannot do is commit abuses." Goncalo Amaral, the police chief leading the Madeleine inquiry, has already been accused of faking documents and assaulting the mother of a missing Portuguese girl in separate case. A police insider said of Malinka's interview: "Amaral confined himself to making threats, but did not become physically violent."
                      ------------------------------------------------------------

Many of the Malinka articles are no longer online.

[stephen25000]

http://newsoutlines.blogspot.co.uk/2009/12/police-beat-me-up-james-wickham-22.html

22 September 2007
Daily Star
James Wickham

RUSSIAN computer expert Sergei Malinka last night alleged that police investigating Madeleine's disappearance beat him up.  He was questioned because of his links to British ex-pat Robert Murat, 33, who was named as an official suspect earlier in the inquiry. Malinka, 22, claimed an officer assaulted him during his interrogation. He said: "The state has the power and the duty to investigate crimes and their eventual suspects.


"What it cannot do is commit abuses." Goncalo Amaral, the police chief leading the Madeleine inquiry, has already been accused of faking documents and assaulting the mother of a missing Portuguese girl in separate case. A police insider said of Malinka's interview: "Amaral confined himself to making threats, but did not become physically violent."
                      ------------------------------------------------------------

Many of the Malinka articles are no longer online.

'alleged'.

Key word.

[misty]

'Despicable ex-cop'  ??

Were you at the libel trial ?

Where of course the mccanns failed on multiple levels to prove their case.

Tut,tut.

What about the 'despicable parents' who placed their children in unnecessary danger ??

and where poignantly, where do you think Madeleine will be found ??

Is it where Edgar stated, 'in a lawless village 10 miles from PDL' ?

Your devout worship of the despicable ex-cop is only exceeded by your contempt for innocent parents who only did what hundreds of other parents have done & continue to do. That you favour an institution which prefers torturing suspects to solve a case
rather than the correct path to justice almost beggars belief on a justice forum
The libel trial is what it is, 5 years down the line. There will be no winner.
Where is Madeleine? Follow the money.