Is the buried at sea theory a serious possibility?

[AnneGuedes]

It doesn't necessarily follow that "if [she] is alive, she's fine and if she's fine, one day she'll find out who she is."  One can certainly hope that this is so, because the alternative (being alive and not fine), is too horrible to contemplate.  But whether she is "fine" or not, efforts still need to be made to find her and return her to her parents where she belongs.  This is the reason the McCanns make efforts to keep her profile high in the public conscience. 

So what if current high profile efforts so far have been unproductive?  And if none of the many possible sightings have achieved anything?  This is a common (and inexplicable) anti/sceptic criticism - that none of the sightings have turned out to be Madeleine, and no publicity has yet yielded any positive information about her whereabouts.  I simply cannot understand the peculiar reasoning here.  What does it matter if a million abortive sightings are made over the next x number of years - it only needs one to turn out to be Madeleine, and all the so-called "wasted" publicity effort will have been worth it.

The sea does not invariably "give up her dead," though often it does.  If the corpse was disposed of far out to sea outside the influence of tides and onshore currents, it is unlikely ever to be recovered, or it could wash up on the shores of a country that wouldn't recognise its significance.

The parents can evidently do all the "efforts" they want to. As nobody does things or makes others do them without a motive, they must have one, I don't doubt it, but I don't think it's "high profile".
Searching a young child without a clue and after so many years is like looking for a needle in a haystack.
Reason requires to discover first why she vanished and how, instead of passionately sticking to the abduction from bed doxa that no evidence supports.
About your statement on the country that wouldn't recognise..., do you have a source ?

[sadie]

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Meanwhile, there is a substance that covers approx. 70 % of this planet's surface.............................

Yep we all know, but Madeleine didn't go into the sea..  Not during that period anyhow and there is no reason to believe that she is not alive today.  I have pointers that she was alive well after the abduction ... and where she was in the early days ... the actual spot.  And she wasn't at PdL as all the red herrings were indicating <<< time wasters <<< If I were SY, I would be following up the peeps who put about these red herrings, and examining their motives..

[faithlilly]

Now you are online Chinagirl could you please point out where I misquoted you earlier ?

[faithlilly]

Quote from: Chinagirl on August 27, 2013, 03:40:17 AM
Anne, b oth your post and Angelo's went on to decry efforts made to find Madeleine, or to keep her profile high in the public perception because she "probably" is dead.  This is the attitude that is despicable as probably does not mean definitely, and while ever her corpse is not found or there is no resolution to her disappearance, common humanity should decree the possibility of her still being alive, and therefore efforts made to find and recover her.

Just for the record, I am a pro who thinks it is likely that she was killed by someone subsequent to the abduction and her body disposed of at sea, which is why it hasn't and never will be found.  However, because there is as yet no proof, or even evidence that this is so, I am absolutely supportive of her parents' right to hope that she is still alive and findable, and consider it imperative that the police services of both the UK and Portugal do everything in their power to find the child, or at the very least, ascertain what happened to her.

If there is no evidence to support your theory, why do you think it's the most likely scenario ?

I am bumping this post as I have not had a satisfactory answer to where I have misquoted Chinagirl. If this post doesn't illicit a response members will have no other option but to assume that she was not misquoted but does not have the manners to admit she was wrong

[Chinagirl]

I am not wrong; I was misquoted; other members, including you, can assume what you like.

[faithlilly]

I am not wrong; I was misquoted; other members, including you, can assume what you like.

As you are unwilling, or unable, to substantiate your claim that I have misquoted you then I can only assume that you are standing by your initial post that you believe Madeleine is dead and her body was disposed of at sea.

[Chinagirl]

Faithlily, do please stop stalking me, and read what I actually said.  Of course she could be dead - even her parents acknowledge that, and if she is, then I think her body could have been disposed of at sea.  I do not believe her parents had any hand in her possible death.  If she is dead the death occurred after the abduction and at the hands of the abductor(s).  However, because there is no proof or even evidence of this, I am fully supportive of her parents' right to believe she may well still be alive and findable, and the relevant police services should use every means at their disposal to find her,or at the very least, ascertain what happened to her.

I DID NOT state that she was "most likely" to be dead, which was your misquote.  Read what I actually said.

[faithlilly]

Faithlily, do please stop stalking me, and read what I actually said.  Of course she could be dead - even her parents acknowledge that, and if she is, then I think her body could have been disposed of at sea.  I do not believe her parents had any hand in her possible death.  If she is dead the death occurred after the abduction and at the hands of the abductor(s).  However, because there is no proof or even evidence of this, I am fully supportive of her parents' right to believe she may well still be alive and findable, and the relevant police services should use every means at their disposal to find her,or at the very least, ascertain what happened to her.

I DID NOT state that she was "most likely" to be dead, which was your misquote.  Read what I actually said.

Now you see Chinagirl that wasn't so hard, now was it ?

Of course your answer is disengenious to say the least. You said it was 'likely'  that her body was disposed of at sea, it is there in black and white for all to read. That you are now trying  to claim that the word 'mostly' is the sticking point is nonsense as it is obvious from your post that you felt disposal at sea, of a dead body, was your theory of choice ie the scenario you felt was MOSTLY likely and you now claiming otherwise is simply playing semantics to get out of a tricky situation.

And that is my last word on the subject.

[Angelo222]

Yep we all know, but Madeleine didn't go into the sea.Not during that period anyhow and there is no reason to believe that she is not alive today.  I have pointers that she was alive well after the abduction ... and where she was in the early days ... the actual spot.  And she wasn't at PdL as all the red herrings were indicating <<< time wasters <<< If I were SY, I would be following up the peeps who put about these red herrings, and examining their motives..

I have never laughed so much recently. What nonsense Sadie. 

There is no evidence that she didn't go into the sea just as there is nothing which points to her being alive after her disappearance.  You are just making that up for the sake of it Sadie and it is making you look really silly. 

The sighting by the Smiths is in itself evidence that the carrier was heading for the beach and the sea.  You even admitted this in another thread some time back.

[ferryman]

If there is no evidence to support your theory, why do you think it's the most likely scenario ?

The employment of logic and intuition that does not directly accuse anyone does not require the same degree of supporting evidence as assertions that accuse (such as themccannsdunit)!

CG's point is that, while she thinks that is the most likely scenario, she absolutely supports the right of Kate and Gerry to believe Madeleine is alive, and to continue searching for her.

Those who insist that theMcCannsdunit are under an absolute obligation to produce evidence of what they believe.

[Angelo222]

The employment of logic and intuition that does not directly accuse anyone does not require the same degree of supporting evidence as assertions that accuse (such as themccannsdunit)!

CG's point is that, while she thinks that is the most likely scenario, she absolutely supports the right of Kate and Gerry to believe Madeleine is alive, and to continue searching for her.

Those who insist that theMcCannsdunit are under an absolute obligation to produce evidence of what they believe.

If it was my child Ferryman I would never give up but and it is a sad but, one has to face the real possibility that she is no longer with us.

Six long years have now passed, there have never been any sightings of her and nobody has been identified as a suspect.  It does not look good.

[AnneGuedes]

Leave the McCanns in peace, Ferryman !
The sceptics doubt Madeleine was abducted from bed. Since it is a mere hypothesis that no evidence whatsoever supports, that doubt is perfectly legitimate and can't be qualified as "blindness" nor "hate" nor "mental torture" nor "corruption". 

[stephen25000]

The employment of logic and intuition that does not directly accuse anyone does not require the same degree of supporting evidence as assertions that accuse (such as themccannsdunit)!

CG's point is that, while she thinks that is the most likely scenario, she absolutely supports the right of Kate and Gerry to believe Madeleine is alive, and to continue searching for her.

Those who insist that theMcCannsdunit are under an absolute obligation to produce evidence of what they believe.

Here we go again .

The Mccanns have perpetuated the abduction scenario, without an iota of proof.

Remember the Portuguese journalist asking what proof there was, outside a court after one of the Amaral hearings, and both parents getting rather angry , with their cliched replies.

Tell me 'ferryman', without an abduction, what do we have left ?

[AnneGuedes]

Everybody here, whether pros, [ censored word] or sceptics, will answer the same ...

[faithlilly]

The employment of logic and intuition that does not directly accuse anyone does not require the same degree of supporting evidence as assertions that accuse (such as themccannsdunit)!

CG's point is that, while she thinks that is the most likely scenario, she absolutely supports the right of Kate and Gerry to believe Madeleine is alive, and to continue searching for her.

Those who insist that theMcCannsdunit are under an absolute obligation to produce evidence of what they believe.

I am not disputing that ferryman. The question I asked was why did she feel that disposal at sea was more likely than other scenarios.