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Offline faithlilly

Re: A look at the various alleged sightings of Madeleine.
« Reply #75 on: September 02, 2013, 05:27:21 PM »

It is very much a western / European perspective that receiving money for something would taint a person's credibility.

A European can afford to take time to consider the propriety and implications of taking money for something. It's often considered seedy, even when morally OK.

In a poor country, people buy and sell without impunity as a matter of necessity. Little thought is given to the transaction and therefore it doesn't carry the same suggestion of ulterior motive.

Same goes in America - everything has a price tag, end of story.

The maybe so Sherlock but if evidence was brought before a court in the UK that had been sold to a tabloid first, that evidence, rightly or wrongly, would be tainted.
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Offline Carana

Re: A look at the various alleged sightings of Madeleine.
« Reply #76 on: September 02, 2013, 06:08:20 PM »
The maybe so Sherlock but if evidence was brought before a court in the UK that had been sold to a tabloid first, that evidence, rightly or wrongly, would be tainted.

In what sense was it "evidence"? Nothing related to the crime scene area.

Offline faithlilly

Re: A look at the various alleged sightings of Madeleine.
« Reply #77 on: September 02, 2013, 06:30:40 PM »
In what sense was it "evidence"? Nothing related to the crime scene area.

I was talking as a general rule Carana.
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Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline Carana

Re: A look at the various alleged sightings of Madeleine.
« Reply #78 on: September 02, 2013, 07:10:18 PM »
I was talking as a general rule Carana.

Ok, but your previous comment was:

The maybe so Sherlock but if evidence was brought before a court in the UK that had been sold to a tabloid first, that evidence, rightly or wrongly, would be tainted.


I'm not sure what you meant by that. What evidence to be brought before which court for which purpose?

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Re: A look at the various alleged sightings of Madeleine.
« Reply #79 on: September 02, 2013, 07:25:11 PM »
Nope. I don't have an opinion on this as I don't know what that amount was intended to cover. If the amount had been broken down, it would be easier to come to a conclusion.

NB: the second entry for him is quite interesting...

 8((()*/ very interesting, Carana. Looks like she was taking money for interviews  8()(((@#

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Offline sadie

Re: A look at the various alleged sightings of Madeleine.
« Reply #80 on: September 02, 2013, 09:32:18 PM »

It is very much a western / European perspective that receiving money for something would taint a person's credibility.

A European can afford to take time to consider the propriety and implications of taking money for something. It's often considered seedy, even when morally OK.

In a poor country, people buy and sell without impunity as a matter of necessity. Little thought is given to the transaction and therefore it doesn't carry the same suggestion of ulterior motive.

Same goes in America - everything has a price tag, end of story.
Very interesting Sherlock.  So what we westerners might consider bribery is considered a normal business transaction by a person from a poor country. Never realised that before altho I had noticed what i considerd "rum" dealings in Eastern Countries.  Seems I was wrong and that they wre normal dealings according to the standards of the country. 

Now this Naoual Malhi comes from Fez, in Morocco, which struck me as mighty poor when I visited.  Although a Doctor and coming from a wealthy family apparently, quite probably her mores would come from her family and fellows in Morocco ... We had dealings with a wealthy Moroccan family and they were charm personified and were givers, not takers.

So Faith, I think in this case we can ignore any monies that might have been paid .... especially as she had been put to considerable inconvenience and expence by her search ... and it is stated "She has asked for no money in return for her information",

From
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-491459/Six-months-Madeleine-Is-Moroccan-village-holds-key-disappearence.html

We also get:

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Of course, Naoual Malhi, a divorcee, may turn out to be one more unsound witness. Or she could simply be mistaken in what she saw. However, she does not appear to be a crank.

Plausible and unexcitable, she is a qualified doctor and says she hails from a well-to-do family from Fez, Morocco's religious and cultural capital. She has asked for no money in return for her information, and much of it has been verified.

It was in late September, at the end of a fortnight's holiday in Morocco, that Naoual first spotted the girl she now refers to unequivocally as "Madeleine" near Fnideq's outdoor market.


Additionally she says

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Naoual, for her part, believes Madeleine is languishing somewhere in the country of her birth.


"I know some people will think it sounds fantastic when you start talking about little European blonde girls being kidnapped, taken to Morocco and sold," she says. "But I am Moroccan and I think it is totally feasible.


"It's a very secretive country and there are a lot of girls who are stolen and held in cellars, to be sold for sex.

"I don't want a penny for my story. All I want is for Madeleine to be found safe and well, and reunited with her parents. She is in Morocco. I'm sure of it."




So was this little girl Madeleine, or not?

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Offline Wonderfulspam

Re: A look at the various alleged sightings of Madeleine.
« Reply #81 on: April 01, 2014, 04:35:23 PM »
3rd March 2010

The Sun

New Maddie File

By ANTONELLA LAZZERI

A HOARD of CCTV shots and sightings of girls looking like Maddie McCann are revealed for the first time today - after The Sun gained access to a hidden police file.

Shockingly, Portuguese cops failed to follow up most leads in the explosive dossier.

The 2,000-page file, buried away at a police HQ, contains CCTV photos of little girls just like Maddie and hundreds of leads, including more than 50 sightings.

Most were ignored by Portuguese police on the case, many of whom have admitted they believe Maddie is dead.

Reports were filed away with the observation: "Not relevant to the investigation".

The documents were never even shown to Madeleine's parents Kate and Gerry, who were stunned when they saw the contents recently.

Details can finally be made public after The Sun requested a state prosecutor for access to the file.

Two of the CCTV images were taken in New Zealand on December 5, 2007, and forwarded to Portuguese police by Interpol.

In one photo a little blonde girl peeps out from under her fringe as she is led into a shop by a portly man wearing shorts.

In the other the girl is seen leaving the shop with the man and a little boy.

She has the same hairstyle as Maddie when she went missing on May 3 that year from a holiday apartment in Portugal aged three.

A female security guard saw the girl at a store in Dunedin, New Zealand, and thought she could be Maddie.

The girl and the man had British accents. When the guard approached the girl and asked her name, the child replied "Hailey".

Despite the obvious similarity to Maddie, Kate and Gerry were never asked to study the photos

Sightings in the file came from across Europe and even America and Hong Kong. Here is a sample:

A little girl who looked like Maddie was seen with a shirtless man near a toll on the A20 motorway in France on August 30, 2008.

French lorry driver Michel Guidard said the girl was wearing a dirty yellow jumper but was naked from the waist down.

He stopped and approached - but the man pulled out a handgun and threatened him.

A British man called George reported seeing a small blonde, distressed girl being dragged along the road to Faro airport, Portugal, on the night she went missing.

That is 60 miles away from the resort of Praia da Luz where Maddie and her family were staying.

A girl described as "a little elf" - in a pyjama top like the one Maddie had on when she was taken - was spotted being "summoned" from a shop near Murcia, Spain, by an "unkempt" man 12 days later.

In August 2008, a woman reported a Newcastle man acting suspiciously in Villamoura, 50 miles from Praia da Luz.

She says the man, who she also saw in May 2006, took pictures of her children.

In July 2008, a Scottish mum reported seeing a blonde girl who looked like Madeleine in Albufeira, Portugal, with a group of gipsies.

A dark-haired woman with the girl ran off down a hill with her when police turned up.

That month alone, three other sightings were reported - two in France and one in Turkey.

A sighting of a girl in Frankfurt, Germany, even included the car registration number of a suspect.

A sighting in Algeria in September 2008 said a little girl with a British accent was with a family who behaved suspiciously.

The dossier says a British-registered white Mercedes box van with fake number plates travelled to Tangiers, Morocco, from Tarifa, Spain, between May 1 and May 10, 2007. It has never been found.

The McCanns believe Maddie could have been whisked away to Morocco by child traffickers within hours of her being taken.

In June 2008 in Sorrento, Italy, a British holidaymaker said he saw a girl like Maddie in the window of a building with a bricked-up door.

A report from Spokane, Washington State, USA, said a girl like Maddie was seen on October 9, 2008, with a Portuguese man.

According to an informant, he ran a child trafficking operation.

Chillingly, the file also contains information sent by Lieutenant Emilie Moreau of the French police about a photo of a little girl being sexually abused on a website.

She told the Portuguese: "We think the girl looks like Maddie."

Inspector Paiva replied: "There is nothing relevant. The girl does not physically resemble Madeleine."

Another report of a child like Maddie being abused on the internet came from Italy.

The reports were put away in a file collated at Portimao Police Headquarters by Inspector Ricardo Paiva, the McCanns' liaison officer, after the case was shelved in July 2008.

Kate and Gerry, both 41, only learnt the buried file existed when it was referred to during their recent court case against ex-police boss Goncalo Amaral in Lisbon.
 

Amaral, who headed the initial investigation into Maddie's disappearance wrote a book, claiming Maddie was dead and her parents lied about her abduction.

The couple, from Rothley, Leicestershire, won a ban on the book. Their lawyer Isabel Duarte then applied for a copy of the dossier.

And after studying it, she told us: "It is a disgrace that none of this information was given to Kate and Gerry.

"Some of the photos are shockingly similar to Madeleine."

Angry Gerry said recently of the filed treasure trove of leads: "We're gutted. If you don't investigate information, you won't solve it."

Yesterday a source close to the McCanns said: "They are extremely angry that this file has been sitting in an office collecting dust. It's an outrage and a disgrace."

Spokesman Clarence Mitchell added: "They're incredibly frustrated this file was sitting there being disregarded by the Portuguese police.

"They were shocked when they saw the scale of the information and the lack of action taken.

"There are potential leads in the file that are now being followed up by our own investigators."

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/2875942/A-2000-page-file-provides-stark-evidence-of-shocking-Portuguese-failings-in-the-hunt-for-Madeleine-McCann.html#ixzz0h60UZNC7
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Offline Wonderfulspam

Re: A look at the various alleged sightings of Madeleine.
« Reply #82 on: April 01, 2014, 04:44:49 PM »

12th August 2008

‘I sold Maddie ice-cream,’ claims witness

A new witness in Brussels has claimed he saw Madeleine McCann.
 
Ice cream vendor Antonio Migliardi said he saw the little girl at his street stall with a woman in the Belgian capital.

The “sighting” comes just a day after a bank security guard said he saw the missing child in the street in the city.
 
Mr Migliardi said the girl, who looked “very sad”, had a distinctive eye mark like Madeleine.
 
He told the Sun: “The woman was very severe with the child.
 
“She held her hand closely and kept pulling her closer. When I gave the ice cream to the child she stood frozen.
 
“Normally a happy child always takes the ice. This was not a normal situation.”
 
The incident took place eight days ago.
 
A spokesman for Madeleine’s parents said private investigators would investigate the claims.
 
Private detectives are also trying to track down the Arabic-looking woman filmed with a blonde youngster in Brussels last Monday. Now experts in the US hired by the McCanns are analysing the security camera clips to enhance the quality of the images and extract further clues.
 
A source close to the McCanns’ investigators said it was surprising that the woman captured on CCTV had not contacted Belgian police if there was an innocent explanation.

http://metro.co.uk/2008/08/12/i-sold-maddie-ice-cream-claims-witness-373391/
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Offline Wonderfulspam

Re: A look at the various alleged sightings of Madeleine.
« Reply #83 on: April 01, 2014, 05:01:55 PM »
25th May 2010

I saw Maddie sleeping in the back of white van a day after her abduction

Claims from a new witness that Madeleine McCann was drugged and kept in the back of a white van in after being snatched in Portugal are being urgently looked into by private investigators, it has been reported.

Carlos Moreira, 65, believes he saw the four-year-old the day after she was taken from a hotel room in Praia da Luz on May 3 2007.
 
He said the girl he saw was wearing pyjamas that are identical to those Maddie was known to be wearing when abducted.
 
Many other witnesses have also reported seeing a white van hanging around near the apartment in the Algarve in the lead up to the disappearance.
 
Mr Moreira told The Sun: “I saw a white van with the back door open. I saw a girl, lying on a pile of clothes in the back. She was wearing a two-piece pyjama set, pink and white or yellow…
 
“When the door was opened, she did not wake up, as if she was drugged.”
 
He identified the van driver from a previously unpublished e-fit of a suspect, the newspaper reported.
 
He said the man was in his early forties and ‘looked like a gipsy’. He was accompanied by an older woman in her early sixties.
 
The sighting happened 160 miles away from Praia da Luz.
 
He only realised he may have seen Maddie after he watched a TV show questioning why roads to the north of the abduction were not shut.
 
Mr Moreira saw the van on a route to the north of the resort.

http://metro.co.uk/2010/05/25/i-saw-madeleine-mccann-sleeping-in-the-back-of-white-van-a-day-after-her-abduction-331331/
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Offline jassi

Re: A look at the various alleged sightings of Madeleine.
« Reply #84 on: April 01, 2014, 05:08:52 PM »
They certainly kept on coming. I wonder how much these people were paid for their efforts  ?   ?{)(**
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I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
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Offline Wonderfulspam

Re: A look at the various alleged sightings of Madeleine.
« Reply #85 on: April 01, 2014, 05:17:14 PM »

I saw Maddie on number 18 tram

By Jerry Lawton/Published 8th August 2008

They say they are “utterly convinced” the missing girl is still alive.

Investigators are now following up a whole series of possible leads across Europe – including a sighting on a tram in Belgium.

Investigators hired by parents Kate and Gerry, both 40, have been boosted by a series of potential sightings of Madeleine, revealed for the first time in Portuguese police files.

They include the claim by Anna Stam, 41, that she spoke to a girl who called herself Maddie in her Amsterdam joke shop. 

The girl was with a Portuguese couple, who told Anna they were in a circus in France.

Around the same time, another Dutch woman was convinced she had also seen Madeleine in the same city.

Just days later, on May 15 last year, a girl matching Madeleine’s description was spotted in Brussels. Line Compere, 31, told local police she saw a blonde-haired, blue-eyed child with a couple on a tram.

Last night, Line told the Daily Star: “I made the sighting on a tram. We were on the No18 tram. They got off and then got on to the No51 tram.

“She really looked like Madeleine, but her hair was different. In the photos I saw of Madeleine she had a fringe, but this girl did not.

“She was with a man and a woman, both between 35 and 40. They had dark hair and looked Eastern European. I told the Belgian police all the details.”

The report was passed on to Portuguese police, but it is unclear what action they took.

It was the first of four possible sightings in Belgium.

On May 27, a Brit contacted police after seeing a child asleep on a train from Brussels to Antwerp. She was with a balding white man, aged about 40.

On June 2, a girl who looked like Madeleine was spotted with a couple in a shop in the Belgian town of Mouscron. Gilles Crippiau, 33, saw the trio get into a grey Renault Scenic.

A month later, a child therapist was “100% sure” she saw Madeleine with a couple in the Belgian town of Tongeren.

Madeleine vanished from her parents’ holiday flat in Praia da Luz, Portugal, on May 3, just days before her fourth birthday.

A source close to the inquiry said: “We have never stopped believing and hoping Madeleine may still be alive, but now the private detectives are utterly convinced.”
 
http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/46705/I-saw-Maddie-on-number-18-tram
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Offline John

Re: A look at the various alleged sightings of Madeleine.
« Reply #86 on: April 01, 2014, 05:19:43 PM »
They certainly kept on coming. I wonder how much these people were paid for their efforts  ?   ?{)(**

Quite a few by the looks of it.  It kept the funds flowing into the likes of Método 3 as long as they appeared to be making progress.  Can anyone think of a more immoral or contemptible scam than to give the parents of a missing child false hope?
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
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Offline Wonderfulspam

Re: A look at the various alleged sightings of Madeleine.
« Reply #87 on: April 01, 2014, 05:20:16 PM »
Quite a few by the looks of it.  It kept the funds flowing into the likes of Método 3 as long as they appeared to be making progress.  Can anyone think of a more immoral or contemptible scam than to give the parents of a missing child false hope?

I most certainly can.
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Offline jassi

Re: A look at the various alleged sightings of Madeleine.
« Reply #88 on: April 01, 2014, 05:25:36 PM »
With all due respect Jassi I've been accused of being paid for MY efforts without a shred of substantiation to back it and it's not a matter for puerile joking.

You don't think they were paid for their 'exclusives', then ?
I believe everything. And l believe nothing.
I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

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Offline Wonderfulspam

Re: A look at the various alleged sightings of Madeleine.
« Reply #89 on: April 01, 2014, 05:26:21 PM »

Taxi driver 'drove Madeleine McCann, three men and a woman' the night after she disappeared

Driver's claims could provide vital clues in the case


A taxi driver who could help solve the mystery of Madeleine McCann’s disappearance has been ignored by Portuguese police, it was revealed today.
 
A lawyer for her parents told how the man, who says he saw the toddler a day after she vanished, is a crucial witness who could provide vital clues in the case.

Today, on the eve of the fifth anniversary into her disappearance, the cab driver told the Standard, how he has never been interviewed by detectives.

Antonio Castela says a young girl, who looked like Madeleine, got into the back of his taxi with four adults near the Spanish border in the Algarve, the night after she went missing.

Despite telling the Policia Judiciaria, the Portuguese police's investigative unit, what he saw, he has never been questioned.

The 72-year-old said he picked up three men, a woman and a child at 7:50pm on the May 4 2007, from Monte Gordo, about an hour's drive from Praia da Luz, where Madeleine vanished the night before.

He drove them two miles to the Hotel Apolo in Vila Real de Santo Antonio near Faro, where they got into a blue jeep and drove away.

He said: "The little girl, who looked like Madeleine was sat on the lap of a man sitting at the back of the cab. I remember thinking it was odd because they did not speak a word during the entire journey apart from at the end when the man sat in the passenger seat said to me; how much?"

Speaking from his home in Vila Real de Santo Antonio, he added: "Only when I heard about Madeleine going missing and seeing her picture on the TV did I contact the police as the little girl in the back of my taxi had that same distinct mark in her eye as Madeleine does."

Mr Castela, who has been a taxi driver for 23 years, said the girl, who was dressed in pink pyjamas, was awake, but did not speak and was just "staring ahead" as though she had been doped.

"After I went to the police, I never heard anything from them again" he said. "They did not seem to take me seriously and never questioned me. They simply took down the details and that was it. I am amazed that it has been five years and nobody has ever asked me what I saw that night. I am absolutely certain it was her."

Kate and Gerry McCann's lawyer in Portugal, Isabel Duarte, said Mr Castela's account is one of several important leads that the Portuguese police have failed to follow up.

Scotland Yard, which last year launched a £2million review of all known evidence in the case, says there are 195 new leads in the case adding they believe she is still alive.

A team of detectives, based in Oporto in northern Portugal, has been appointed to re-examine the case but so far say there are no credible new facts to justify re-opening the investigation.

Kate and Gerry McCann said today they have "no doubt" that the Portuguese authorities will eventually re-open the investigation into their daughter Madeleine's disappearance.

Police in Portugal said last week they had found "no new element" to justify re-launching their inquiry into how the little girl vanished on a family holiday to the Algarve in May 2007. But the McCanns, speaking on the eve of the fifth anniversary of Madeleine going missing, added their voice to calls from Scotland Yard for the case to be re-opened.

Mr McCann, 43, said: “I think the most important thing is that a lot of the investigation opportunities are in Portugal.

“I think it’s fairly clear that the case will have to be re-opened for those to be pursued adequately.

“We weren’t expecting a knee-jerk reaction by any means. This is an ongoing dialogue, and I am sure the investigation will get opened again in due course.

“I have no doubt about that. It will get re-opened.”

His wife, 44, added: “It’s certainly the best way that we’re going to find Madeleine, and who took her. If people want to find Madeleine, and want to find the person who took her, then we need the case to be re-opened.”

The officer leading Scotland Yard’s review of the original investigation into Madeleine’s disappearance spoke last week of his belief that the case can still be solved and said there is evidence she could still be alive.

Detective Chief Inspector Andy Redwood said the Metropolitan Police would like the case to be re-opened, but stressed that the decision was one for Portugal.

Mr McCann said: “The only way everyone will be able to move on is for the case to be solved, and that is for Madeleine to be found and the perpetrators brought to justice. Until then it’s not going to go away. It can’t go away.”

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/taxi-driver-drove-madeleine-mccann-three-men-and-a-woman-the-night-after-she-disappeared-7706355.html
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