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Offline Wonderfulspam

Re: A look at the various alleged sightings of Madeleine.
« Reply #90 on: April 01, 2014, 05:30:01 PM »
7 August 2008

The Sun

Lucy Hagan in Amsterdam and Veronica Lorraine in Praia Da Luz
Additional reporting: Antonella Lazzeri

HER EYES TOLD ME IT WAS HER SAYS HANNIE

SECOND SIGHTING OF TOT IN AMSTERDAM

A second possible sighting of Madeleine McCann in Amsterdam was revealed last night.

Pensioner Hannie Weichmann said she saw a little girl with an anxious woman near her home in the Dutch city days after Maddie vanished from her family's holiday apartment in Portugal.

Hannie, 71, believed a crude attempt had been made to disguise the child by cutting and dyeing her hair, giving her a badly-trimmed fringe and some red locks. But she said: "Those eyes...I knew it was her."

Hannie spoke 24 hours after released police files revealed Amsterdam party shop worker Anna Stam spoke to an English girl who called herself Maddie.

She was with an odd couple and told 41-year-old Anna: "They took me from my holiday." She said of the woman with her: "She is not my mummy."

Hannie's sighting was in the centre of the canal city near Weteringsplantsoen at around the same time in May last year.

She said: "I saw a woman aged 30 to 35 continuously walking up and down the waterside. You could see by the way she handled the kid that she was not used to children. The woman had brown curly hair. She spoke English with the girl.

"Maddie wore a pink woollen coat that reached her calfs. I know because she reminded me of my own daughter when she was that young. Maddie was delighted by my dog diving into the water."

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The lost girl was in pink pyjamas when she was snatched in Praia da Luz just before her fourth birthday. And pink was her favourite colour.

Hannie said she called cops, who arrived to challenge the woman. The pensioner said: "She told the police she was a tourist and was babysitting the little girl. That was it. They didn't ask for any name - not mine nor hers."

Hannie claimed she saw the girl again the following week. She said: "She came to me to pat the dog. Then I let her go. It was stupid of me but I thought that since the police were so convinced it wasn't Maddie, it didn't matter."

Dutch police refused to comment on Hannie's story last night, referring all queries to Portuguese cops. But it WILL be followed up by private detectives acting for Maddie's parents Kate and Gerry.

They will also talk to Anna, who yesterday revealed a string of further clues that could boost the hunt for the child.

The Sun took Anna back to the shop where she saw the Maddie lookalike.

She told how the child was wearing a distinctive PINK top bearing the English wording "Little Beavers".

Anna said the child was never called by name by the couple with her.

They said they had a small circus in France and addressed her as La Petite - French for Little One.

The assistant added she had green eyes and an expressionless face identical to a picture of Maddie she saw after the girl's disappearance became news in Holland.

Anna reported her sighting to Dutch police, who passed the information to Portuguese detectives. But she never heard from them - and they never informed the McCanns of her story.

Anna said: "The Portuguese certainly could have done more, which I think everyone believes. Now I just want to do anything I can to help. I want to speak to British detectives and to Kate and Gerry McCann."

More details from the released Portuguese police files emerged yesterday.

They revealed Kate and Gerry slept in separate beds after having a row the night before Maddie vanished.

A file written by three inspectors said of Kate: "When asked if she ever slept in Madeleine's room, she said that happened on Wednesday because she had fallen out with Gerry after he ignored her after dinner when they went to the tapas bar.

"She decided to retaliate by sleeping in another room."

The files also show a table plan drawn by Kate, showing she was not sitting next to Gerry at dinner on the night Maddie went missing. She was between pals Rachel Oldfield and Fiona Payne, while Gerry was on the other side of Fiona.

Another document revealed expat Robert Murat was made a suspect because he showed an "unusual curiosity" in the case while acting as an interpreter.

Property developer Mr Murat, 34 - cleared last month of any involvement - was also said to have had "enormous knowledge" of the McCanns' holiday complex and their routine. The report added: "He also tried constantly to influence the direction of the investigation."

THE McCanns are planning a Crimewatch reconstruction on TV to revitalise the search for Maddie. They are in talks with the BBC to see if a re-enactment can be carried out including the swathes of new information emerging from the released files. 

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Offline jassi

Re: A look at the various alleged sightings of Madeleine.
« Reply #91 on: April 01, 2014, 05:30:17 PM »
Why should they be and for what reason?  Deflection, deflection, deflection?

For the record I've been accused of that too.

Deflection from what ?
I believe everything. And l believe nothing.
I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

Or maybe not -

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Offline Wonderfulspam

Re: A look at the various alleged sightings of Madeleine.
« Reply #92 on: April 01, 2014, 07:21:35 PM »

I saw Maddie in Malta

Jun 23, 2007 00:00
By North Wales Daily Post
 

THE possible sighting by a North Wales man of missing four-year-old Madeleine McCann has triggered a huge police search on the tiny Mediterranean island of Malta.
 
Home from his holiday, heating engineer Ray Roberts of Llangefni was yesterday besieged by the media over his claims.
 
Mr Roberts, 49, had alerted British police to his suspicions that on Sunday he saw the girl in what looked like a wig with an “Arab-looking man” in a Maltese street.
 
He emailed Leicester police on Wednesday and his account was passed on to the Maltese authorities, triggering a huge police response on the island.
 
Yesterday, his wife Norma told the Daily Post he had “acted out of the kindness of his heart” in informing the police about the alleged sighting.
 
In an interview Mr Roberts said he thought he saw the girl with an “Arab-looking man” and a younger woman in the street at 11.30pm last Sunday.
 
The girl had tripped, and the man – who was holding on to her arm – had barked “get up, little girl!”
 
“It was obviously not his first language so it seemed odd that he had to speak to her in English,” said Mr Roberts.
 
“As a father, their reaction did not seem natural.”
 
He added: “Then I noticed the little girl’s hair.
 
“It was pitch black, very thick and cut in an unusual style for a child that age – very much like a wig rather than real hair.
 
“The more I think about what I saw the more convinced I become that it may well have been Maddie.
 
“The oddness of it all played out in my mind until I got home then I realised I had to do something.”
 
Last night, Maltese police revealed they were dealing with details of 11 separate possible sightings of the missing girl, dating back as far as May 27.
 
Two more witnesses came forward yesterday to report seeing Madeleine McCann in Malta – but police said their investigations had so far come to nothing.
 
The reports differ on where the young girl was seen and who was with her, with some witnesses saying she was with a man and others with a woman.
 
One Maltese man used his mobile phone to take a picture of a child he believed to be Madeleine at a parish feast in the central town of Zejtun on June 17.
 
Police analysed the photograph but it proved not to be the abducted British girl.
 
In a statement Maltese police said: “A full-scale investigation, involving different sections of the force co-ordinated by our serious crime investigations department is ongoing to confirm or otherwise the alleged sightings, which efforts have so far yielded a negative outcome.
 
“However, investigations are still actively in progress in order to shed more light upon the reported sightings.”
 
The Maltese authorities are keeping their foreign counterparts informed and have put officers stationed at ports on full alert to check people leaving the country.
 
The first sighting was reported to police on May 27 by a Maltese woman who said she believed she saw Madeleine with a man in the Maltese capital Valletta a week earlier.
 
On June 17 two female British tourists said they saw a girl fitting Madeleine’s description boarding a bus with a middle-aged woman at Floriana, near Valletta.
 
After this report a formal inquiry headed by a magistrate was launched.
 
Yesterday the Maltese newspaper In-Nazzjon (The Nation) reported these sightings, and seven further reports from Maltese citizens came in to police.
 
Members of the McCann family last night marked the 50th day she has been missing with a worldwide balloon release in Liverpool.
 
http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/i-saw-maddie-in-malta-2872503
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Offline pathfinder73

Re: A look at the various alleged sightings of Madeleine.
« Reply #93 on: April 01, 2014, 07:49:44 PM »
Page 818 (Page 2 of 5)

 A visitor to the Leicestershire Constabulary website left a message.

Name : Annette de Lange-Doorakkers
 Address : De daal x, 5xxx SM Nuenen, Netherlands
 Telephone : 040-28xxxxx
 E-mail : annette@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.nl

 Comments :

 Hello,

 Last Friday 29th of June I contacted the Dutch Police in Eindhoven, ( because I didn't who(sic) ((?want or wish?)), to contact anyone else) after seeing the message on TV on Thursday night and Friday morning about the arrest of two people, an Italian man and a Portuguese woman, possibly related to the missing Madeleine McCann.

 I did not hear from the Police since then. Maybe my tip doesn't lead to anything but I find it important to be sure that the message is reported to the right persons. That's why I am sending this e-mail.


 Page 819 (Page 3 of 5)

 In the week from May 5th til May 19th we were in the Algarve (My husband, my mother-in-law, my sister-in-law and my(sic) ((?her??)), husband). The first week we stayed in Lagos and the second week in Santa Barbara de Nexe. We heard about the disappearing of Madeleine on Wednesday 9th May. There were pictures everywhere so you couldn't miss it.

 In the second week when we stayed in Santa Barbara de Nexe we drove near the shore towards CARVOEIRO and were making a car trip. In the little town, Carvoeiro, we went to the beach for a very short time and when we decided to get something to drink I was waiting, in front of the beach, with my mother-in-law for my husband who was still on the beach. At that time, a couple, a man with dark hair and a woman with dark hair, came from the beach and they had a little girl with them who had blond hair.

 The reason why it took my attention was because the girl was 3 - 4 years old (but I don't have any children and I don't know much about sizes etc at any age), had blond hair and the parents had dark hair. The man and woman were speaking English (not with an accent, at least not that I could hear) and said something to the girl and called her, at first, Maddy and then Madeleine because she didn't listen right away. But she didn't react strange.

 When I was waiting I watched them walking towards the town and was doubting to do anything with this. I couldn't imagine if you have abducted a little child you would go to the beach only 60 km (or something like that) away and call her by her real name. Maybe if I had seen a Policeman at that time I might attented(sic) him but the situation to me was not likely.


 Page 820 (Page 4 of 5)

 When I heard of the arrest of the man and woman this picture again occurred to me. The news didn't show any photo's of the people who were arrested (and I believe that the investigation did point out that they were after tipmoney(sic), (?ransome?), or something like that). If I would see the pictures I might be able to tell you if the people they have arrested are the same I saw on the beach that day (Monday 14th May). It probably is nothing but you never know.

 Well if this information is of any help then you can contact me by e-mail or phone.

 Kind regards, I hope you will find her soon.

 Annette de Lange-Doorakkers
 Nuenen (Netherlands)
 Phone : 040-28xxxxx
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline jassi

Re: A look at the various alleged sightings of Madeleine.
« Reply #94 on: April 01, 2014, 07:52:03 PM »
Take an educated guess.

Can't imagine. I'm spot on topic with comment about dubious sightings.
I believe everything. And l believe nothing.
I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

Or maybe not -

OG have been pushed out by the Germans who have reserved all the deck chairs for the foreseeable future

Offline Benice

Re: A look at the various alleged sightings of Madeleine.
« Reply #95 on: April 02, 2014, 01:01:59 AM »
They certainly kept on coming. I wonder how much these people were paid for their efforts  ?   ?{)(**

Why would people be paid to report bogus sightings.   I just don't get it.

I've heard this allegation before that people are paid to supply false sightings.  How were these people from various places all over the planet recruited?  Did someone advertise for folk who would be willing to lie to the police for a price?   How were they paid?   Was it a one off payment or are they on a salary?

And who would be stupid enough to put themselves in the hands of scores of people who could then blackmail them at any time.       It's not as if they could rely on their 'honour' not to spill the beans - as it goes without saying that someone willing to take money to lie to the police has none.

I've heard some daft conspiracy theories in my time, but the one which claims people are paid to support the McCanns or to falsely claim sightings is up there with the 'Substitute Child' theory IMO - where it is claimed that Madeleine died way before the 3rd May and a substitute child was brought in (I can only assume from Clones R Us) to fool people into thinking she was still alive up until the 3rd.     And to think there are people who actually believe that.

The McCann case received world wide attention.  Of course there would be hundreds if not thousands of sightings.  These sightings would vary from coming from really genuine people  - right across the spectrum to those coming from total fruitloops imo.









The notion that innocence prevails over guilt – when there is no evidence to the contrary – is what separates civilization from barbarism.    Unfortunately, there are remains of barbarism among us.    Until very recently, it headed the PJ in Portimão. I hope he was the last one.
                                               Henrique Monteiro, chief editor, Expresso, Portugal

Offline sadie

Re: A look at the various alleged sightings of Madeleine.
« Reply #96 on: April 02, 2014, 01:50:38 AM »
Why would people be paid to report bogus sightings.   I just don't get it.

I've heard this allegation before that people are paid to supply false sightings.  How were these people from various places all over the planet recruited?  Did someone advertise for folk who would be willing to lie to the police for a price?   How were they paid?   Was it a one off payment or are they on a salary?

And who would be stupid enough to put themselves in the hands of scores of people who could then blackmail them at any time.       It's not as if they could rely on their 'honour' not to spill the beans - as it goes without saying that someone willing to take money to lie to the police has none.

I've heard some daft conspiracy theories in my time, but the one which claims people are paid to support the McCanns or to falsely claim sightings is up there with the 'Substitute Child' theory IMO - where it is claimed that Madeleine died way before the 3rd May and a substitute child was brought in (I can only assume from Clones R Us) to fool people into thinking she was still alive up until the 3rd.     And to think there are people who actually believe that.

The McCann case received world wide attention.  Of course there would be hundreds if not thousands of sightings.  These sightings would vary from coming from really genuine people  - right across the spectrum to those coming from total fruitloops imo.


And to think there are people who actually believe that

What a wonderful post Benice  8@??)(

icabodcrane

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Re: A look at the various alleged sightings of Madeleine.
« Reply #97 on: April 02, 2014, 02:07:52 AM »
Why would people be paid to report bogus sightings.   I just don't get it.

I've heard this allegation before that people are paid to supply false sightings.  How were these people from various places all over the planet recruited?  Did someone advertise for folk who would be willing to lie to the police for a price?   How were they paid?   Was it a one off payment or are they on a salary?

And who would be stupid enough to put themselves in the hands of scores of people who could then blackmail them at any time.       It's not as if they could rely on their 'honour' not to spill the beans - as it goes without saying that someone willing to take money to lie to the police has none.

I've heard some daft conspiracy theories in my time, but the one which claims people are paid to support the McCanns or to falsely claim sightings is up there with the 'Substitute Child' theory IMO - where it is claimed that Madeleine died way before the 3rd May and a substitute child was brought in (I can only assume from Clones R Us) to fool people into thinking she was still alive up until the 3rd.     And to think there are people who actually believe that.

The McCann case received world wide attention.  Of course there would be hundreds if not thousands of sightings.  These sightings would vary from coming from really genuine people  - right across the spectrum to those coming from total fruitloops imo.

Well,  I don't know that it's such a far-fetched idea

We must remember that the McCanns employed  private detectives who were crooks  ...   so nothing is  entirely beyond the realms of possibility

Offline Wonderfulspam

Re: A look at the various alleged sightings of Madeleine.
« Reply #98 on: April 02, 2014, 07:47:36 AM »
Why would people be paid to report bogus sightings.   I just don't get it.

I've heard this allegation before that people are paid to supply false sightings.  How were these people from various places all over the planet recruited?  Did someone advertise for folk who would be willing to lie to the police for a price?   How were they paid?   Was it a one off payment or are they on a salary?

And who would be stupid enough to put themselves in the hands of scores of people who could then blackmail them at any time.       It's not as if they could rely on their 'honour' not to spill the beans - as it goes without saying that someone willing to take money to lie to the police has none.

I've heard some daft conspiracy theories in my time, but the one which claims people are paid to support the McCanns or to falsely claim sightings is up there with the 'Substitute Child' theory IMO - where it is claimed that Madeleine died way before the 3rd May and a substitute child was brought in (I can only assume from Clones R Us) to fool people into thinking she was still alive up until the 3rd.     And to think there are people who actually believe that.

The McCann case received world wide attention.  Of course there would be hundreds if not thousands of sightings.  These sightings would vary from coming from really genuine people  - right across the spectrum to those coming from total fruitloops imo.

Of course there would be hundreds if not thousands of sightings. 

Yes & these sightings really have helped the investigation haven't they, the idiots should all be charged with wasting police time imo
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Offline jassi

Re: A look at the various alleged sightings of Madeleine.
« Reply #99 on: April 02, 2014, 08:51:34 AM »
Why would people be paid to report bogus sightings.   I just don't get it.

I've heard this allegation before that people are paid to supply false sightings.  How were these people from various places all over the planet recruited?  Did someone advertise for folk who would be willing to lie to the police for a price?   How were they paid?   Was it a one off payment or are they on a salary?

And who would be stupid enough to put themselves in the hands of scores of people who could then blackmail them at any time.       It's not as if they could rely on their 'honour' not to spill the beans - as it goes without saying that someone willing to take money to lie to the police has none.

I've heard some daft conspiracy theories in my time, but the one which claims people are paid to support the McCanns or to falsely claim sightings is up there with the 'Substitute Child' theory IMO - where it is claimed that Madeleine died way before the 3rd May and a substitute child was brought in (I can only assume from Clones R Us) to fool people into thinking she was still alive up until the 3rd.     And to think there are people who actually believe that.

The McCann case received world wide attention.  Of course there would be hundreds if not thousands of sightings.  These sightings would vary from coming from really genuine people  - right across the spectrum to those coming from total fruitloops imo.

You've never heard of newspapers paying for stories ?
I believe everything. And l believe nothing.
I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

Or maybe not -

OG have been pushed out by the Germans who have reserved all the deck chairs for the foreseeable future

Offline Benice

Re: A look at the various alleged sightings of Madeleine.
« Reply #100 on: April 02, 2014, 09:10:50 AM »
Well,  I don't know that it's such a far-fetched idea

We must remember that the McCanns employed  private detectives who were crooks  ...   so nothing is  entirely beyond the realms of possibility

Do you  think they deliberately employed them?   How could they know what was going to happen in the future with any company they employed?

We can all be wise after the event.
The notion that innocence prevails over guilt – when there is no evidence to the contrary – is what separates civilization from barbarism.    Unfortunately, there are remains of barbarism among us.    Until very recently, it headed the PJ in Portimão. I hope he was the last one.
                                               Henrique Monteiro, chief editor, Expresso, Portugal

Offline Benice

Re: A look at the various alleged sightings of Madeleine.
« Reply #101 on: April 02, 2014, 09:18:39 AM »
You've never heard of newspapers paying for stories ?

I'm sure it happens all the time - but what has that got to do with the McCanns?
The notion that innocence prevails over guilt – when there is no evidence to the contrary – is what separates civilization from barbarism.    Unfortunately, there are remains of barbarism among us.    Until very recently, it headed the PJ in Portimão. I hope he was the last one.
                                               Henrique Monteiro, chief editor, Expresso, Portugal

Offline jassi

Re: A look at the various alleged sightings of Madeleine.
« Reply #102 on: April 02, 2014, 09:21:07 AM »
I'm sure it happens all the time - but what has that got to do with the McCanns?

Who mentioned the McCanns?

My original comment was asking how much some of these people might have received for their exclusives.
I believe everything. And l believe nothing.
I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

Or maybe not -

OG have been pushed out by the Germans who have reserved all the deck chairs for the foreseeable future

Offline Lace

Re: A look at the various alleged sightings of Madeleine.
« Reply #103 on: April 02, 2014, 09:30:15 AM »
Why would people be paid to report bogus sightings.   I just don't get it.

I've heard this allegation before that people are paid to supply false sightings.  How were these people from various places all over the planet recruited?  Did someone advertise for folk who would be willing to lie to the police for a price?   How were they paid?   Was it a one off payment or are they on a salary?

And who would be stupid enough to put themselves in the hands of scores of people who could then blackmail them at any time.       It's not as if they could rely on their 'honour' not to spill the beans - as it goes without saying that someone willing to take money to lie to the police has none.

I've heard some daft conspiracy theories in my time, but the one which claims people are paid to support the McCanns or to falsely claim sightings is up there with the 'Substitute Child' theory IMO - where it is claimed that Madeleine died way before the 3rd May and a substitute child was brought in (I can only assume from Clones R Us) to fool people into thinking she was still alive up until the 3rd.     And to think there are people who actually believe that.

The McCann case received world wide attention.  Of course there would be hundreds if not thousands of sightings.  These sightings would vary from coming from really genuine people  - right across the spectrum to those coming from total fruitloops imo.


Well said Benice !!

I don't know how many times I heard poster's saying the McCann's had arranged these sightings.   It is ludicrous.     As you say,  they would have a lot of faith in these people not to spill the beans,   how tempting it would be for them to sell their story 'I was paid to fake a sighting'    journalists would pay good money for that scoop wouldn't they.
« Last Edit: April 02, 2014, 09:31:36 AM by John »

Offline Benice

Re: A look at the various alleged sightings of Madeleine.
« Reply #104 on: April 02, 2014, 09:32:51 AM »
Who mentioned the McCanns?

My original comment was asking how much some of these people might have received for their exclusives.

Oh right.   I obviously misunderstood your post.   Sorry for that.       Can I take it that you don't believe the conspiracy theory that the McCanns pay members of the public to support them and to also come up with false sightings?    It's a theory which pops up at regular intervals on the internet.
The notion that innocence prevails over guilt – when there is no evidence to the contrary – is what separates civilization from barbarism.    Unfortunately, there are remains of barbarism among us.    Until very recently, it headed the PJ in Portimão. I hope he was the last one.
                                               Henrique Monteiro, chief editor, Expresso, Portugal