Police officers sent packing after asking Kate McCann where her daughter was?

[Jean-Pierre]

and if did ?

Come up with some credible source that this incident actually occured.  In the absence of that, no point in discussing further.  The ball is in your court Stephen. 

[DCI]

Several British police officers spent time in Praia da Luz after Madeleine's disappearance.  The first to arrive was British Embassy liaison officer Glen Power on 5th May.  His brief was to facilitate communication between the two police forces.  Two days later a further two British police officers arrived, one being Bob Small from Leicestershire Police, whose function was to act as support officers between the McCanns and the Portuguese investigators.  Other officers arrive from Scotland Yard including specialists and technicians.

According to Mr Amaral, an 'incident' occurred on 14th May when Kate McCann was asked by one of the highly experienced British liaison police officers as to where Madeleine was.  The question did not go down well, the officer and his colleague were sent packing back to England having only been there a week.  The two officers are later replaced by a Portuguese speaker.

Curiously, the incident has been conveniently forgotten.

I think you slightly altered what Amaral say's. He doesn't mention anyone "sent packing"

According to Amaral,

I had worked with Glen on several cases of violent crime or linked to organised crime; I was aware of his skills, his great capacity for work, his kindness and his modesty. Our relationship went beyond that of a simple professional connection. I was a bit worried when he told me that he wouldn't be around a few days later. He had a lot to do.

On May 14th, Kate Healy is indignant about the attitude of the liaison officer, who asks her where her daughter is. Neither she nor her husband accepts anyone doubting their word. The officer will be sent packing - and his colleague too - a week after his arrival. That attitude is, to say the least, shocking on the part of parents confronted by such a situation, that, what is more, is in a foreign country. Those two police officers, who distinguished themselves through long experience in the management of situations of kidnap and abduction, were, all the same, entirely at their disposal; they provided daily logistical and legal support, and afforded them all the help they could have needed.

Curiously, the English do not consider it expedient to disclose the incident and the PJ are not informed. Myself, I only learn of it indirectly. Finally, a solution is found quickly: the two men are replaced by a Portuguese man who speaks fluent English.

[faithlilly]

I think you slightly altered what Amaral say's. He doesn't mention anyone "sent packing"

According to Amaral,

I had worked with Glen on several cases of violent crime or linked to organised crime; I was aware of his skills, his great capacity for work, his kindness and his modesty. Our relationship went beyond that of a simple professional connection. I was a bit worried when he told me that he wouldn't be around a few days later. He had a lot to do.

On May 14th, Kate Healy is indignant about the attitude of the liaison officer, who asks her where her daughter is. Neither she nor her husband accepts anyone doubting their word. The officer will be sent packing - and his colleague too - a week after his arrival. That attitude is, to say the least, shocking on the part of parents confronted by such a situation, that, what is more, is in a foreign country. Those two police officers, who distinguished themselves through long experience in the management of situations of kidnap and abduction, were, all the same, entirely at their disposal; they provided daily logistical and legal support, and afforded them all the help they could have needed.

Curiously, the English do not consider it expedient to disclose the incident and the PJ are not informed. Myself, I only learn of it indirectly. Finally, a solution is found quickly: the two men are replaced by a Portuguese man who speaks fluent English.

' The officer will be sent packing'.

You can read, can't you ?

[Carana]

I'm lost. Exactly which officer was supposed to have been "sent packing"?

[DCI]

' The officer will be sent packing'.

You can read, can't you ?

OOPS, Sorry. appointment made at Dolland

Glen Power wasn't sent packing, though, he had a lot to do!

As not one Liason Officer mentions anyone asking Kate, where Madeleine is or going packing, I don't believe it!

So who else is left besides Paiva?

[DCI]

LEICESTERSHIRE POLICE FORCE
 
05-Cartas Rogatorias Vol V Pages 9 - 10
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Statement by: Stephen Markley

Occupation: Police Officer

This statement (composed of 2 pages and signed by me) is true and in accordance with my understanding.

Date: 25th April 2008
Signature____________________________________________________


I am police officer Markley of the Leicestershire Police currently working in the criminal unit.

In 2007 and in relation to the Portuguese investigation into the disappearance of Madeleine McCann, I was detached to Portugal in the role of family communication officer.
According to the Portuguese PJ Letter of Request, I was asked to respond to the following question:

Was there anything done or said by Kate or Gerry McCann in your presence or during your various meetings that could raise any suspicion that they had any knowledge about what could have happened to Madeleine, beyond the circumstances described to the Portuguese investigators?

My reply to the question was: No.

However, in relation to the above, I would like to add the following: At about 20.00 on Saturday 5th May 2007, I arrived at the apartment where Kate and Gerry were staying, with other officers. During the meeting Gerald and Kate had a number of questions to which they wanted follow up and responses from the PJ.

One of these questions was that they wanted the PJ to be aware of was Madeleine's revelation about Wednesday night, when she said that she was left alone during the night. She told Kate and Gerry that she remembered the twins crying and that she wanted to know why neither her mother nor her father had gone to the room to see what was happening.

They also wanted to know whether the PJ had any evidence that would suggest that the person who took Madeleine had used any substance to facilitate the abduction.

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05-Cartas Rogatorias Vol V Pages 11-12
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Witness Statement

Statement by Jim McGarvey

This statement consisting of two pages is true and consistent with my understanding.

Date: 25th April 2008

I am police Inspector McGarvey of the Leicestershire police force, currently based in the criminal unit.

In 2007 and in relation to the Portuguese investigation carried out into the disappearance of Madeleine McCann, I was detached to Portugal in the role of communication officer for the family.
In accordance with the Portuguese PJ Letter of Request I was asked to respond to the following question:

Was there anything done or said by Kate or Gerry McCann in your presence or during various contacts that could raise any suspicion that they could have had any knowledge of what could have happened to Madeleine, beyond the circumstances described to the Portuguese investigators.

My reply to the question: No.

In relation to the above I would like to mention that at approximately 20.00 on the 5th May, I arrived at the McCann apartment with other family communications officers. We were asked several times during this meeting about questions that Gerald and Kate would like to have followed up and responded to by the PJ.

I remember that during the meetings, Kate revealed that Madeleine had spoken with her in the morning of her disappearance and said that she remembered the twins had cried during the night and that she wanted to know why neither her mother or father had appeared. Kate asked herself whether this fact could have any relation with Madeleine’s disappearance.

Gerry and Kate also questioned whether there was any suggestion that pointed to the use of drugs to facilitate Madeleine's abduction.

This statement was made by me and is truthful in accordance with my knowledge.


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05-Cartas Rogatorias Vol 5 Page 8
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LEICESTERSHIRE POLICE FORCE

Witness Statement by Caroline Burrows

Occupation: Police Officer

This statement, consisting of two pages, each signed by me, is true to the best of my knowledge and belief

Date: 23 April 2008
Signature:

I am police inspector 4186 Caroline Burrows of the Leicestershire police, currently based in the criminal unit.

In 2007 in relation to the Portuguese investigation into the disappearance of Madeleine McCann, I was sent to Portugal in the official role of liaison officer to the McCann family.
According to the letters of request from the Portuguese police, I was asked to respond to the following question:

Was anything said or done by Kate or Gerry McCann in your presence or during your contacts that may have raised any suspicion that they had knowledge of what happened to Madeleine, besides the circumstances described to the Portuguese investigators?

My response to the above question is: No.

This statement was made by me and is true in accordance with my understanding.

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Witness Statement by Eleanor Johnson
Occupation: Detective DC 4356

This statement, consisting of one page, signed by me, is true to the best of my knowledge and belief .

Date: 22 April 2008
Signature:

I am police inspector 4356 Johnson of the Leicestershire police, currently based in the criminal unit.

In 2007 in relation to the Portuguese investigation into the disappearance of Madeleine McCann, I was sent to Portugal in the official role of liaison officer to the McCann family.
According to the Letters of Request from the Portuguese police, I was asked to respond to the following question:

Was anything said or done by Kate or Gerry McCann in your presence or during your contacts that may have raised any suspicion that they had knowledge of what happened to Madeleine, besides the circumstances described to the Portuguese investigators?

My response to the above question is: No.

This statement was made by me and is true in accordance with my understanding.

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05-Cartas Rogatorias Vol V Page 13
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LEICESTERSHIRE POLICE FORCE

Witness Statement by Michael Graham
Occupation: Police Officer

This statement, consisting of one page, signed by me, is true to the best of my knowledge and belief .

Date: 21 April 2008
Signature:

I am police inspector 1127 Graham of the Leicestershire police, currently based in the criminal unit.

In 2007 in relation to the Portuguese investigation into the disappearance of Madeleine McCann, I was sent to Portugal in the official role of liaison officer to the McCann family.
According to the Letters of Request from the Portuguese police, I was asked to respond to the following question:

Was anything said or done by Kate or Gerry McCann in your presence or during your contacts that may have raised any suspicion that they had knowledge of what happened to Madeleine, besides the circumstances described to the Portuguese investigators?

My response to the above question is: No.

This statement was made by me and is in accordance with my understanding.

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05-Cartas Rogatorias Vol V Page 13
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LEICESTERSHIRE POLICE FORCE

Witness Statement by Neil Holden
Occupation: Police Officer

This statement, consisting of one page, signed by me, is true to the best of my knowledge and belief .

Date: 25 April 2008
Signature:

I am police inspector 607 Holden of the Leicestershire police, currently based in the criminal unit.

In 2007 in relation to the Portuguese investigation into the disappearance of Madeleine McCann, I was sent to Portugal in the official role of liaison officer to the McCann family.
According to the Letters of Request from the Portuguese police, I was asked to respond to the following question:

Was anything said or done by Kate or Gerry McCann in your presence or during your contacts that may have raised any suspicion that they had knowledge of what happened to Madeleine, besides the circumstances described to the Portuguese investigators?

My response to the above question is: No.

This statement was made by me and is in accordance with my understanding.
 

[Carana]

@ DCI

I looked at all of that.

I can't find anything to substantiate that anyone was "sent packing" (which, in common parlance, would be interpreted as being dismissed with immediate effect).

Unless it was yet another misunderstanding of people who had gone to pack their bags prior to catching a pre-arranged flight back.

[Jean-Pierre]

A reminder of the OP:

"Several British police officers spent time in Praia da Luz after Madeleine's disappearance.  The first to arrive was British Embassy liaison officer Glen Power on 5th May.  His brief was to facilitate communication between the two police forces.  Two days later a further two British police officers arrived, one being Bob Small from Leicestershire Police, whose function was to act as support officers between the McCanns and the Portuguese investigators.  Other officers arrive from Scotland Yard including specialists and technicians.

According to Mr Amaral, an 'incident' occurred on 14th May when Kate McCann was asked by one of the highly experienced British liaison police officers as to where Madeleine was.  The question did not go down well, the officer and his colleague were sent packing back to England having only been there a week.  The two officers are later replaced by a Portuguese speaker.

Curiously, the incident has been conveniently forgotten."

Maybe this is something else that Amaral "Misremembered" whilst writing his book. 

[Carana]

If someone could provide an indication of the chapter or approximate page number - it could be checked against a potential translation error.

[faithlilly]

A reminder of the OP:

"Several British police officers spent time in Praia da Luz after Madeleine's disappearance.  The first to arrive was British Embassy liaison officer Glen Power on 5th May.  His brief was to facilitate communication between the two police forces.  Two days later a further two British police officers arrived, one being Bob Small from Leicestershire Police, whose function was to act as support officers between the McCanns and the Portuguese investigators.  Other officers arrive from Scotland Yard including specialists and technicians.

According to Mr Amaral, an 'incident' occurred on 14th May when Kate McCann was asked by one of the highly experienced British liaison police officers as to where Madeleine was.  The question did not go down well, the officer and his colleague were sent packing back to England having only been there a week.  The two officers are later replaced by a Portuguese speaker.

Curiously, the incident has been conveniently forgotten."

Maybe this is something else that Amaral "Misremembered" whilst writing his book.

Just as Kate 'misremembered' telling a police officer of her concerns over the twins, yet not one officer, translator or friend mentions her doing any such thing

[Carana]

Just as Kate 'misremembered' telling a police officer of her concerns over the twins, yet not one officer, translator or friend mentions her doing any such thing

What are you referring to, Faith?

[icabodcrane]

Icabod, The abduction happened on May 3rd; the police arrived May 5th.  Please do not exaggerate.  Less than 48 hours is fine, but NOT less than 24 hours.

OK so why did police come so early and in such numbers?

Maybe because Gordon Brown came from Glasgow like Gerry?  Maybe because Gerry was an active member of the Labour Party (i believe)?  There was talk that Gerry was in one of the Government "think tanks", but I am not sure if that was true. 
Maybe they knew each other?

The Mccann family are go-getters.  Bet it wasn't long before Gordon Brown knew ... and got things moving.

Direct interest from the Chancellor would cause ripples and some action pretty quickly by the Leicestershire Police.

Have no idea how many Officers would normally go out on such a case ... and I doubt ChinaGirl would have either.  We are not members of the Police Force

By  the 5th of May six police officers from Leicester were in  Portugal

The child had gone missing as night fell on the 3rd and any action by Leicester police would not have begun until the morning of the 4th  (  unless you believe Gordon Brown was so close to Gerry McCann that he was on the phone during the night,  waking up sleeping senior officers as if it were some kind of national emergency  ) 

During that day  (  when everyone was expecting the child either to be discovered, possibly trapped or injured,   or sadly for a little body to be found    )   Leicester police were urgently arranging flights,  accomodation,  re-organising work loads,  and cancelling leave so that six officers could go to Portugal  straight away

By 8pm on the 5th they were in the McCann's apartment,  where,  less than 48 hours before the
missing child had,  according to her parents,  been safely tucked up in bed

It is not just the speed and urgency with which the British police acted,  it is the  'foresight'  ... I mean,  the child had beed been missing for one night  when arrangements were made for the six officers to be deployed,   and she could have turned up at any moment

I don't see how anyone can think the response from Leicester police was remotely what might normally be expected in the case of a British child having been missing for less than 24 hours in a European country where the police were already investigating

[Eleanor]

By  the 5th of May six police officers from Leicester were in  Portugal

The child had gone missing as night fell on the 3rd and any action by Leicester police would not have begun until the morning of the 4th  (  unless you believe Gordon Brown was so close to Gerry McCann that he was on the phone during the night,  waking up sleeping senior officers as if it were some kind of national emergency  ) 

During that day  (  when everyone was expecting the child either to be discovered, possibly trapped or injured,   or sadly for a little body to be found    )   Leicester police were urgently arranging flights,  accomodation,  re-organising work loads,  and cancelling leave so that six officers could go to Portugal  straight away

By 8pm on the 5th they were in the McCann's apartment,  where,  less than 48 hours before the
missing child had,  according to her parents,  been safely tucked up in bed

It is not just the speed and urgency with which the British police acted,  it is the  'foresight'  ... I mean,  the child had beed been missing for one night  when arrangements were made for the six officers to be deployed,   and she could have turned up at any moment

I don't see how anyone can think the response from Leicester police was remotely what might normally be expected in the case of a British child having been missing for less than 24 hours in a European country where the police were already investigating

The British Embassy already knew about The Cipriano Affair, and The Michael Cook Affair.  More than enough reason if you ask me.

[faithlilly]

What are you referring to, Faith?

From Kate's book :

'On the night Madeleine was taken, you may remember, Gerry and I had been very concerned that Sean and Amelie had hardly moved in their cots, let alone woken up, despite the commotion in the apartment. Since Madeleine was snatched apparently without making a sound, we had always suspected that all three children might have been sedated by the abductor. We mentioned this to the police that night and several more times in the following weeks, but no testing of urine, blood or hair, which could have revealed the presence of drugs, had ever been done'

[DCI]

Amaral didn't want to share Kate's fingerprints results, with Stuart Prior. I wonder why when he was part of the investigation.
He had UK investigators every move followed, then he doesn't want to discuss, what I would have thought, they are obliged to let them know.

Even Murat knew he was being followed, so I'm sure the UK police would have noticed