Police officers sent packing after asking Kate McCann where her daughter was?

[Lace]

I thought it was the 'social worker' who asked Kate where her daughter was?

[DCI]

I thought it was the 'social worker' who asked Kate where her daughter was?

Not as far as I can see, Lace.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/YVONNE-WARREN-MARTIN.htm

Paiva is the only one, that seems to have said this to Kate!

[ferryman]

Just as Kate 'misremembered' telling a police officer of her concerns over the twins, yet not one officer, translator or friend mentions her doing any such thing

Try again:

Statement by: Stephen Markley
Occupation: Police Officer

This statement (composed of 2 pages and signed by me) is true and in accordance with my understanding.

Date: 25th April 2008
Signature

I am police officer Markley of the Leicestershire Police currently working in the criminal unit.

In 2007 and in relation to the Portuguese investigation into the disappearance of Madeleine McCann, I was detached to Portugal in the role of family communication officer.

According to the Portuguese PJ Letter of Request, I was asked to respond to the following question:

Was there anything done or said by Kate or Gerry McCann in your presence or during your various meetings that could raise any suspicion that they had any knowledge about what could have happened to Madeleine, beyond the circumstances described tothe Portuguese investigators?

My reply to the question was: No.

However, in relation to the above, I would like to add the following: At about 20.00 on Saturday 5th May 2007, I arrived at the apartment where Kate and Gerry were staying, with other officers. During the meeting Gerald and Kate had a number of questions to which they wanted follow up and responses from the PJ.

One of these questions was that they wanted the PJ to be aware of was Madeleine’s revelation about Wednesday night, when she said that she was left alone during the night. She told Kate and Gerry that she remembered the twins crying and that she wanted to know why neither her mother nor her father had gone to the room to see what was happening.

They also wanted to know whether the PJ had any evidence that would suggest that the person who took Madeleine had used any substance to facilitate the abduction.

This statement was made by me and is truthful in accordance with my understanding.

[faithlilly]

Try again:

Statement by: Stephen Markley
Occupation: Police Officer

This statement (composed of 2 pages and signed by me) is true and in accordance with my understanding.

Date: 25th April 2008
Signature

I am police officer Markley of the Leicestershire Police currently working in the criminal unit.

In 2007 and in relation to the Portuguese investigation into the disappearance of Madeleine McCann, I was detached to Portugal in the role of family communication officer.

According to the Portuguese PJ Letter of Request, I was asked to respond to the following question:

Was there anything done or said by Kate or Gerry McCann in your presence or during your various meetings that could raise any suspicion that they had any knowledge about what could have happened to Madeleine, beyond the circumstances described tothe Portuguese investigators?

My reply to the question was: No.

However, in relation to the above, I would like to add the following: At about 20.00 on Saturday 5th May 2007, I arrived at the apartment where Kate and Gerry were staying, with other officers. During the meeting Gerald and Kate had a number of questions to which they wanted follow up and responses from the PJ.

One of these questions was that they wanted the PJ to be aware of was Madeleine’s revelation about Wednesday night, when she said that she was left alone during the night. She told Kate and Gerry that she remembered the twins crying and that she wanted to know why neither her mother nor her father had gone to the room to see what was happening.

They also wanted to know whether the PJ had any evidence that would suggest that the person who took Madeleine had used any substance to facilitate the abduction.

This statement was made by me and is truthful in accordance with my understanding.

And on the night of the third of May when, Kate claims, she raised the subject with a police officer ?

[AnneGuedes]

And on the night of the third of May when, Kate claims, she raised the subject with a police officer ?

Nothing in the files.
Thanks to Stephen Markley and Jim McGarvey, we know that the McCanns just wanted to know whether the PJ had found evidence in the children's bedroom (they don't seem to have analysed the parents' room). Nothing more.

[John]

It is very obvious that those identical statements by the English police officers were carefully worded in order to give as little as possible away as to what their actual thoughts were.

Having had another read through Señor Amaral's book again I noted he made reference to one of the English bobbies taking off his Madeleine armband when he realised what the evidence actually amounted to.

Were the English cops actually convinced of their guilt too?

[John]

I meant to mention this before when the subject of the doping was discussed on another thread.  Both the McCanns are qualified medical doctors.  If they were so concerned about the possibility of the twins being doped why didn't they arrange for independent testing?

[Benice]

It is very obvious that those identical statements by the English police officers were carefully worded in order to give as little as possible away as to what their actual thoughts were.

Having had another read through Señor Amaral's book again I noted he made reference to one of the English bobbies taking off his Madeleine armband when he realised what the evidence actually amounted to.

Were the English cops actually convinced of their guilt too?

Those statements were simply the 'condensed' impression they had of the McCanns.  I think it's obvious that very detailed reports of their observations would have been submitted by the FLO's to their bosses back in Leicester, and are part of the files that we have not seen - but SY have.

I don't think the  officer who removed his armband did that for any other reason than it was inappropriate for a policeman to wear it - as the case had not yet been solved. 

 

[John]

Those statements were simply the 'condensed' impression they had of the McCanns.  I think it's obvious that very detailed reports of their observations would have been submitted by the FLO's to their bosses back in Leicester, and are part of the files that we have not seen - but SY have.

I don't think the  officer who removed his armband did that for any other reason than it was inappropriate for a policeman to wear it - as the case had not yet been solved. 

 

He chose to wear it at the outset but removed it.  What changed?

[AnneGuedes]

I meant to mention this before when the subject of the doping was discussed on another thread.  Both the McCanns are qualified medical doctors.  If they were so concerned about the possibility of the twins being doped why didn't they arrange for independent testing?

The Liaison officers don't mention sedation of the twins but of Madeleine in order to take her more easily. As doctors the McCanns could have insisted Madeleine couldn't have been taken without being heavily sedated and that a proper sedation would leave traces on the bedding. Madeleine's one was analysed and revealed nothing. But what if Madeleine disappeared from her parents' bed ?
The concern about the twins came later. As Icabodcrane once said, why lose time sedating sleeping children that you don't intend to steal ?

[Benice]

He chose to wear it at the outset but removed it.  What changed?

I can only speculate that he wore it because he believed Madeleine had been abducted.  However, as a policeman he would be required to put his personal opinions to one side and look at the case from the point of view that it had not been solved and until it was - no assumptions of innocence should be made.    I don't have a problem with that John - as IMO the first thing the PJ should have done was look at the parents and rule them in or out - before they did anything else.   Although how Amaral could come to the firm conclusions which he did come to about the parents - when he never met them or spoke to them is a mystery to me.

[John]

He would have observed them behind the glass or on CCTV in the interview room.  It is quite normal for senior officers to keep in the background and leave the interrogations to more junior officers.

Remember that Señor Amaral was the equivalent of a Detective Superintendent in the UK. He was the coordinator, it was not his job to interview witnesses or suspects.

[Benice]

He would have observed them behind the glass or on CCTV in the interview room.  It is quite normal for senior officers to keep in the background and leave the interrogations to more junior officers.

Remember that Señor Amaral was the equivalent of a Detective Superintendent in the UK. He was the coordinator, it was not his job to interview witnesses or suspects.

I'm sure Amaral would have mentioned it if they had rooms with 2-way mirrors.   If Amaral sees nothing wrong in the fact that he never met or spoke to the McCanns then why does he go to such lengths to hide that fact in his book?  Unless you happened to know beforehand that he'd never spoken to them, there is no way anyone reading his book would realise that was the case.

[John]

I'm sure Amaral would have mentioned it if they had rooms with 2-way mirrors.   If Amaral sees nothing wrong in the fact that he never met or spoke to the McCanns then why does he go to such lengths to hide that fact in his book?  Unless you happened to know beforehand that he'd never spoken to them, there is no way anyone reading his book would realise that was the case.

He didn't need to speak to them to know what was going on.  That is what detectives are employed to do, interview and report.

[Jean-Pierre]

He would have observed them behind the glass or on CCTV in the interview room.  It is quite normal for senior officers to keep in the background and leave the interrogations to more junior officers.

Remember that Señor Amaral was the equivalent of a Detective Superintendent in the UK. He was the coordinator, it was not his job to interview witnesses or suspects.

I seem to recall that at the time they didn't even have tape recording facilities, so CCTV and two way glass may have been undreamed of technology.