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Offline Carana

Re: Police officers sent packing after asking Kate McCann where her daughter was?
« Reply #15 on: September 04, 2013, 09:38:11 AM »
On the 5th of May there were 6 PO from the LC present in PDL : the inspectors Caroline Burrows, Eleanor Johnson, Michael Graham, Neil Holden, Jim Mc Garvey and Stephen Markley.
Cartas Rogatorias Vol V Pages 7-14

I don't see anything that says that they all arived on May 5.

Statement by Jim McGarvey
In relation to the above I would like to mention that at approximately 20.00 on the 5th May, I arrived at the McCann apartment with other family communications officers.

Statement by: Stephen Markley
However, in relation to the above, I would like to add the following: At about 20.00 on Saturday 5th May 2007, I arrived at the apartment where Kate and Gerry were staying, with other officers.



The others just say that they were sent out in 2007.


In 2007 in relation to the Portuguese investigation into the disappearance of Madeleine McCann, I was sent to Portugal in the official role of liaison officer to the McCann family.


Offline Angelo222

Re: Police officers sent packing after asking Kate McCann where her daughter was
« Reply #16 on: September 04, 2013, 10:10:52 AM »
Has anyone worked out who the two police officers were who were sent home for daring to suggest that Kate McCann knew where her daughter was located?

Looks very like the Met were having their strings pulled by Downing St.
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Offline Carana

Re: Police officers sent packing after asking Kate McCann where her daughter was
« Reply #17 on: September 04, 2013, 10:24:50 AM »
Has anyone worked out who the two police officers were who were sent home for daring to suggest that Kate McCann knew where her daughter was located?

Nope.

Kate did say in her book that she blew her top at FLOs at not organising an interpreter when they'd said they were frustrated that they'd spent the day not understanding what was going on as they didn't have anyone to interpret for them. (p. 114)

However, I've never seen anything to suggest that they were sent packing. How long would FLOs stay on a foreign assignment? There might have been a rotation of two at a time, which would seem more logical and would tie in with the fact that only two stated that they were there on the evening of 5 May.

stephen25000

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Re: Police officers sent packing after asking Kate McCann where her daughter was
« Reply #18 on: September 04, 2013, 10:26:51 AM »
Nope.

Kate did say in her book that she blew her top at FLOs at not organising an interpreter when they'd said they were frustrated that they'd spent the day not understanding what was going on as they didn't have anyone to interpret for them. (p. 114)

However, I've never seen anything to suggest that they were sent packing. How long would FLOs stay on a foreign assignment? There might have been a rotation of two at a time, which would seem more logical and would tie in with the fact that only two stated that they were there on the evening of 5 May.


Do you really seriously believe km told the whole truth and never lied at all ?

AnneGuedes

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Re: Police officers sent packing after asking Kate McCann where her daughter was?
« Reply #19 on: September 04, 2013, 10:30:46 AM »
Nothing indicates that the 6 PO were or weren't together in PDL. Between the 23th and the 25th of April 2008 they made 6 stereotyped statements mentioning "in 2007" and answering negatively to the same unique question :
I am police officer ... of the Leicestershire Police currently working in the criminal unit.
In 2007 and in relation to the Portuguese investigation into the disappearance of Madeleine McCann, I was detached to Portugal in the role of family communication officer.
According to the Portuguese PJ Letter of Request, I was asked to respond to the following question:
Was there anything done or said by Kate or Gerry McCann in your presence or during your various meetings that could raise any suspicion that they had any knowledge about what could have happened to Madeleine, beyond the circumstances described to the Portuguese investigators?
My reply to the question was: No.

By chance two of the six PO felt they had something to add (nobody seems to have asked any of them whether they had something else to say) and mention the date of their observations (extremely similar).
Stephen Markley added :
However, in relation to the above, I would like to add the following: At about 20.00 on Saturday 5th May 2007, I arrived at the apartment where Kate and Gerry were staying, with other officers. During the meeting Gerald and Kate had a number of questions to which they wanted follow up and responses from the PJ.
One of these questions was that they wanted the PJ to be aware of was Madeleine's revelation about Wednesday night, when she said that she was left alone during the night. She told Kate and Gerry that she remembered the twins crying and that she wanted to know why neither her mother nor her father had gone to the room to see what was happening.
They also wanted to know whether the PJ had any evidence that would suggest that the person who took Madeleine had used any substance to facilitate the abduction.

And Jim Garvey added :
In relation to the above I would like to mention that at approximately 20.00 on the 5th May, I arrived at the McCann apartment with other family communications officers. We were asked several times during this meeting about questions that Gerald and Kate would like to have followed up and responded to by the PJ.
I remember that during the meetings, Kate revealed that Madeleine had spoken with her in the morning of her disappearance and said that she remembered the twins had cried during the night and that she wanted to know why neither her mother or father had appeared. Kate asked herself whether this fact could have any relation with Madeleine’s disappearance.
Gerry and Kate also questioned whether there was any suggestion that pointed to the use of drugs to facilitate Madeleine's abduction.

Offline Carana

Re: Police officers sent packing after asking Kate McCann where her daughter was?
« Reply #20 on: September 04, 2013, 10:35:48 AM »
Nothing indicates that the 6 PO were or weren't together in PDL. Between the 23th and the 25th of April 2008 they made 6 stereotyped statements mentioning "in 2007" and answering negatively to the same unique question :
I am police officer ... of the Leicestershire Police currently working in the criminal unit.
In 2007 and in relation to the Portuguese investigation into the disappearance of Madeleine McCann, I was detached to Portugal in the role of family communication officer.
According to the Portuguese PJ Letter of Request, I was asked to respond to the following question:
Was there anything done or said by Kate or Gerry McCann in your presence or during your various meetings that could raise any suspicion that they had any knowledge about what could have happened to Madeleine, beyond the circumstances described to the Portuguese investigators?
My reply to the question was: No.

By chance two of the six PO felt they had something to add (nobody seems to have asked any of them whether they had something else to say) and mention the date of their observations (extremely similar).
Stephen Markley added :
However, in relation to the above, I would like to add the following: At about 20.00 on Saturday 5th May 2007, I arrived at the apartment where Kate and Gerry were staying, with other officers. During the meeting Gerald and Kate had a number of questions to which they wanted follow up and responses from the PJ.
One of these questions was that they wanted the PJ to be aware of was Madeleine's revelation about Wednesday night, when she said that she was left alone during the night. She told Kate and Gerry that she remembered the twins crying and that she wanted to know why neither her mother nor her father had gone to the room to see what was happening.
They also wanted to know whether the PJ had any evidence that would suggest that the person who took Madeleine had used any substance to facilitate the abduction.

And Jim Garvey added :
In relation to the above I would like to mention that at approximately 20.00 on the 5th May, I arrived at the McCann apartment with other family communications officers. We were asked several times during this meeting about questions that Gerald and Kate would like to have followed up and responded to by the PJ.
I remember that during the meetings, Kate revealed that Madeleine had spoken with her in the morning of her disappearance and said that she remembered the twins had cried during the night and that she wanted to know why neither her mother or father had appeared. Kate asked herself whether this fact could have any relation with Madeleine’s disappearance.
Gerry and Kate also questioned whether there was any suggestion that pointed to the use of drugs to facilitate Madeleine's abduction.


But just further up you'd stated this as fact.
On the 5th of May there were 6 PO from the LC present in PDL : the inspectors Caroline Burrows, Eleanor Johnson, Michael Graham, Neil Holden, Jim Mc Garvey and Stephen Markley.
Cartas Rogatorias Vol V Pages 7-14


I wondered if you'd found something other than the 6 statements to substantiate that all 6 FLOs were there on 5 May, as I hadn't.

Offline Carana

Re: Police officers sent packing after asking Kate McCann where her daughter was
« Reply #21 on: September 04, 2013, 10:46:03 AM »
Has anyone worked out who the two police officers were who were sent home for daring to suggest that Kate McCann knew where her daughter was located?

Looks very like the Met were having their strings pulled by Downing St.

That may well be the conclusion that one is supposed to reach.  8(0(*

For the moment, I've filed "sent packing" just after "satellites"...

Offline Benice

Re: Police officers sent packing after asking Kate McCann where her daughter was
« Reply #22 on: September 04, 2013, 10:46:26 AM »

Do you really seriously believe km told the whole truth and never lied at all ?

I do. She may not have got everything right or been completely accurate in her recall -  as memories are not tape recorders.  However I don't believe either the McCanns nor any of their friends ever deliberately lied.   

If the McCanns had wanted to they could have lied about what Madeleine said to them on the morning of the 3rd about her and Sean crying - even though it left themselves open to criticism.  They told the police about that episode because they thought that maybe the abductor had been in 5a the night before.   However, they could just as easily have said Madeleine told them she'd had a nasty dream about seeing a man  in her room - or something similar.   But they didn't.


The notion that innocence prevails over guilt – when there is no evidence to the contrary – is what separates civilization from barbarism.    Unfortunately, there are remains of barbarism among us.    Until very recently, it headed the PJ in Portimão. I hope he was the last one.
                                               Henrique Monteiro, chief editor, Expresso, Portugal

Offline Lace

Re: Police officers sent packing after asking Kate McCann where her daughter was?
« Reply #23 on: September 04, 2013, 10:51:55 AM »
Something at the back of my mind is saying that the 'Social Worker' asked Kate where Madeleine was.  I will have to dig it out.

Offline Benice

Re: Police officers sent packing after asking Kate McCann where her daughter was?
« Reply #24 on: September 04, 2013, 11:06:34 AM »
Something at the back of my mind is saying that the 'Social Worker' asked Kate where Madeleine was.  I will have to dig it out.


I doubt whether a Family Liaison officer would ask such a question Lace.  They were there to 'befriend' the McCanns not interrogate them.    They would also observe their behaviour and I would presume report back to their superiors in Leicester.

 Apparently none of the FLO's observed any suspicious behaviour, unlike in the Shannon Matthews case when it was the FLO who first noticed that the mother's behaviour was not the behaviour of someone whose child had gone missing and reported her observations to her superior officer - which ultimately led to Karen Matthews arrest.
The notion that innocence prevails over guilt – when there is no evidence to the contrary – is what separates civilization from barbarism.    Unfortunately, there are remains of barbarism among us.    Until very recently, it headed the PJ in Portimão. I hope he was the last one.
                                               Henrique Monteiro, chief editor, Expresso, Portugal

Offline faithlilly

Re: Police officers sent packing after asking Kate McCann where her daughter was?
« Reply #25 on: September 04, 2013, 11:12:48 AM »

I doubt whether a Family Liaison officer would ask such a question Lace.  They were there to 'befriend' the McCanns not interrogate them.    They would also observe their behaviour and I would presume report back to their superiors in Leicester.

 Apparently none of the FLO's observed any suspicious behaviour, unlike in the Shannon Matthews case when it was the FLO who first noticed that the mother's behaviour was not the behaviour of someone whose child had gone missing and reported her observations to her superior officer - which ultimately led to Karen Matthews arrest.

But then again Karen Matthews wasn't very bright, was she ?
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Offline Angelo222

Re: Police officers sent packing after asking Kate McCann where her daughter was
« Reply #26 on: September 04, 2013, 11:14:38 AM »
The introduction of the cadaver dogs is all the evidence anyone needs to prove that the British police agreed with their Portuguese counterparts.
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Offline Angelo222

Re: Police officers sent packing after asking Kate McCann where her daughter was
« Reply #27 on: September 04, 2013, 11:15:19 AM »
But then again Karen Matthews wasn't very bright, was she ?
8@??)(
De troothe has the annoying habit of coming to the surface just when you least expect it!!

Je ne regrette rien!!

AnneGuedes

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Re: Police officers sent packing after asking Kate McCann where her daughter was?
« Reply #28 on: September 04, 2013, 11:20:24 AM »

But just further up you'd stated this as fact.
On the 5th of May there were 6 PO from the LC present in PDL : the inspectors Caroline Burrows, Eleanor Johnson, Michael Graham, Neil Holden, Jim Mc Garvey and Stephen Markley.
Cartas Rogatorias Vol V Pages 7-14


I wondered if you'd found something other than the 6 statements to substantiate that all 6 FLOs were there on 5 May, as I hadn't.
Have you found something indicating they weren't together ?

Offline Benice

Re: Police officers sent packing after asking Kate McCann where her daughter was?
« Reply #29 on: September 04, 2013, 11:22:16 AM »
But then again Karen Matthews wasn't very bright, was she ?

And the McCanns are not Oscar winning actors.  If they were such geniuses that they pulled the wool over the eyes of highly trained FLO's and also the very experienced trauma counsellor Alan Pike, amongst others - they would not be doctors - they'd be using their amazing talent to earn a fortune in Hollywood  - and Gerry would not be peddling to work on a pushbike.  IMHO of course.

The notion that innocence prevails over guilt – when there is no evidence to the contrary – is what separates civilization from barbarism.    Unfortunately, there are remains of barbarism among us.    Until very recently, it headed the PJ in Portimão. I hope he was the last one.
                                               Henrique Monteiro, chief editor, Expresso, Portugal