Police officers sent packing after asking Kate McCann where her daughter was?

[DCI]

I've often wondered what language this conversation between Amaral and Prior was conducted in where Amaral contradicted Prior on interpretation of the forensic results.

Is Prior fluent in Portuguese, do we know?

Amaral understands and speaks English. It can be said he doesn't, till the cows come home, but I am assured he can. From a very good English source, who has interviewed him, and his wife

[Benice]

Thank you Eleanor. So that Amaral watched the meeting through a two-way mirror or similar is a possibility and therefore it is presumptive for you, or anyone else, to claim he lied.

I don't believe for a second that he did that Faith.  If that was the case he would have said so in his book - and elsewhere - as that would be a MAJOR reason for him to use to explain why he did not meet or speak to the McCanns during the whole of the case.       Not only that but if the McCanns were being interviewed in a room with a 2-way mirror - they would know about it - they're not daft.    If they thought they were being observed in that way, they too would have said so at some stage IMO as it's not a small detail that's not worth a mention in anyone's book- (no pun intended).

Neither he nor the McCanns have ever commented on what IMO would  be a factor in the case pertinent enough to guarantee a mention - and I would bet my last penny on the fact  that no such 2-way mirror existed.

   

[Angelo222]

By  the 5th of May six police officers from Leicester were in  Portugal

The child had gone missing as night fell on the 3rd and any action by Leicester police would not have begun until the morning of the 4th  (  unless you believe Gordon Brown was so close to Gerry McCann that he was on the phone during the night,  waking up sleeping senior officers as if it were some kind of national emergency  ) 

During that day  (  when everyone was expecting the child either to be discovered, possibly trapped or injured,   or sadly for a little body to be found    )   Leicester police were urgently arranging flights,  accomodation,  re-organising work loads,  and cancelling leave so that six officers could go to Portugal  straight away

By 8pm on the 5th they were in the McCann's apartment,  where,  less than 48 hours before the
missing child had,  according to her parents,  been safely tucked up in bed

It is not just the speed and urgency with which the British police acted,  it is the  'foresight'  ... I mean,  the child had beed been missing for one night  when arrangements were made for the six officers to be deployed,   and she could have turned up at any moment

I don't see how anyone can think the response from Leicester police was remotely what might normally be expected in the case of a British child having been missing for less than 24 hours in a European country where the police were already investigating

I missed your post earlier Ica but you have raised a very valid point as to why six senior British police officers (referred to mostly as Inspectors) were in PdL less than 48 hours after she disappeared and just as the sea and land search for her was in full swing.   I have never ever heard of such a thing happening in any other case of an abduction abroad.

It is also very revealing that the Chancellor of the Exchequer namely Gordon Brown saw fit to telephone the McCanns directly.  It would certainly appear that there was an awful lot more going on behind the scenes than the public or the press were ever aware of at the time.

[Angelo222]

Not as far as I can see, Lace.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/YVONNE-WARREN-MARTIN.htm

Paiva is the only one, that seems to have said this to Kate!

Most interesting DCI.  Seems very early on and a matter of a mere13 hours it wasn't just the Portuguese who thought the McCanns were involved in Madeleine's disappearance.  The comments about Dr Payne are also most revealing!!

[Carana]

I missed your post earlier Ica but you have raised a very valid point as to why six senior British police officers (referred to mostly as Inspectors) were in PdL less than 48 hours after she disappeared and just as the sea and land search for her was in full swing.   I have never ever heard of such a thing happening in any other case of an abduction abroad.

It is also very revealing that the Chancellor of the Exchequer namely Gordon Brown saw fit to telephone the McCanns directly.  It would certainly appear that there was an awful lot more going on behind the scenes than the public or the press were ever aware of at the time.

First of all, has it been established that six senior officers from LP were in PdL less than 48 hours later?

- Two FLOs arrived on 5 May, according to their statements, from LP, but would they have been senior officers?
Kate mentions that three arrived in her book, although it's not clear who the third one was (pp.102-3).

- Forensic psychologists from CEOP and an analyst from NPIA arrived the following week.

- It's not clear when exactly DCS Bob Small arrived (he was obviously there for the van episode).

- José de Freitas (SOCA) was there at some point over the summer, though I'm not sure when he turned up.

It's not clear how long these people actually stayed.


- What's odd about Gordon Brown phoning Gerry, the father of a missing child? Or Cherie Blair contacting Kate?

[Benice]

I missed your post earlier Ica but you have raised a very valid point as to why six senior British police officers (referred to mostly as Inspectors) were in PdL less than 48 hours after she disappeared and just as the sea and land search for her was in full swing.   I have never ever heard of such a thing happening in any other case of an abduction abroad.

It is also very revealing that the Chancellor of the Exchequer namely Gordon Brown saw fit to telephone the McCanns directly.  It would certainly appear that there was an awful lot more going on behind the scenes than the public or the press were ever aware of at the time.

The only other case I know of a British child being abducted abroad was Ben Needham 16 years before.  Things were very different then.

Gordon Brown didn't phone the McCanns until about a fortnight after Madeleine disappeared and then I presume as with other MPs who phoned the McCanns - it was mainly to offer his sympathy on a personal level.

I'm wondering whether it was the British Consul who instigated many of the first actions - including the arrival of the police from Leicester -  as he lived in Portugal and knew all about the assaults which had happened to UK children in their holiday apartments in the same area.    He met the McCanns at the police station on the morning of the 4th and I presume was convinced that they were telling the truth about what happened -  and as he would have access to the appropriate people, and the necessary clout to make suggestions that would be acted upon - I think it's possible that it was he who first got the ball rolling.   

 

[Carana]

What about the 5-year-old British boy kidnapped in Pakistan in 2010?
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2010/mar/10/kidnap-sahil-saeed-father-pakistan?guni=Article:in%20body%20link

It doesn't take that much to imagine why the potential extent of UK involvement may not have made headlines in that case. Nor was the mother's diary leaked to tabloids as far as I'm aware...

[Angelo222]

Amaral understands and speaks English. It can be said he doesn't, till the cows come home, but I am assured he can. From a very good English source, who has interviewed him, and his wife

Interesting DCI...can you prove this statement?

[DCI]

Interesting DCI...can you prove this statement?

Not without revealing my source, no. Do you know what language he spoke to Pat Brown in? She doesn't speak Portuguese.

[AnneGuedes]

Interesting DCI...can you prove this statement?

Angelo, English is taught at school, you can't escape it. And poor countries broadcast UK and US series with subtitles.
But many people here say they don't speak English when they don't speak currently, just read in English.

[Carana]

Angelo, English is taught at school, you can't escape it. And poor countries broadcast UK and US series with subtitles.
But many people here say they don't speak English when they don't speak currently, just read in English.

- Were all the GNR officers on the night of the disappearance fluent in English?
- Was Amaral fluent in English or not?

[AnneGuedes]

Have you been taught a foreign language at school ?
If so, for how many years ?
Are you fluent in that language ?

[Carana]

Have you been taught a foreign language at school ?
If so, for how many years ?
Are you fluent in that language ?

Was Amaral fluent in English or not?

Various people say that he wasn't, others say that he was...

Was he? Or not?

[Redblossom]

Not without revealing my source, no. Do you know what language he spoke to Pat Brown in? She doesn't speak Portuguese.

What kind of crap is this? my *sources* ?  the rules of this forum determine you are not allowed to post claims without proof/back up, so basically its prove it or shut up or expect a ban

Oh and we all know that Mr Amaral was accused of saying fk the mccanns....when he doesnt even speak english....the weasly little midget reporter osullivan eckoned he did only to be followed by the bbc agreeing he got it wrong LooooooL

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XA5R7c1c42A&feature=youtube_gdata_player

http://joana-morais.blogspot.com/2011/06/mccann-case-complaint-against-biased.html

http://beforeitsnews.com/eu/2012/01/biased-bbc-east-midlands-1691966.html

[TrueSardine]

Not without revealing my source, no. Do you know what language he spoke to Pat Brown in? She doesn't speak Portuguese.

I imagine the same person who took the photos of Mr. Amaral and Ms. Brown meeting in Lisbon served as an interpreter.  You should know by now DCI that that old pro excuse that Mr. Amaral speaks, reads, or understands English in a fluent way has been proved to be a lie, one of many that has been used online by McCann supporters, such as yourself, only to denigrate Gonçalo Amaral's image. Those ad hominem attacks besides being laughable, clearly indicate that you and your pro McCann colleagues aka trolls and cyber-bullies, have no substantial arguments to refute or disprove the conclusions reached by two PJ teams and by the English officers who worked with them, all thoroughly explained in both Mr. Amaral's book A Verdade da Mentira and in the process.